Labour and Your Party

I agree with this.

There is no way Truss was more popular than Sunak and Starmer - she comes out ahead of them because I think people are upset with politics in general.

She is quite literally the worst Prime Minister this country has ever had in its entire history.

Party politics and internal fighting has been an enormous detriment to this country on all levels since May was ousted.

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Also, just an addendum.

I think Starmer leaving would probably be a nightmare for the country.

Who would stand the best chance at taking over?

Do we really think Lammy, Mahmoud or Streeting would be that much better qualified than Starmer?

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It speaks volumes about the state of the Labour party that someone as ill equipped to lead as Starmer is probably the best current option.

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I’ve met a few Labour people who speak very highly of Al Cairns, but he’s probably too junior and not a big enough profile

A mixture of both but more affected by the current political environment and the low mood of the electorate. In addition, there no question the media and political commentariat have got a taste for blood when it comes to toppling PMs after chaos of the Tory years.

Internally, people in Labour think they’re doing good things policy wise without it being reflected in the polls, I think that’s true in large parts tbh even if I don’t believe in the policies. Something isn’t being translated and I don’t think it has anything to with comms

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It’s a testament to how bad the other 4 have been when May now looks like she was ok now :joy:

I agree as you probably would have surmised from my last post.

Out of interest, if something isn’t being “translated”, isn’t that, at least in part, absolutely a comms issue?
Or is the idea that no matter how good the comms were, this government would still broadly find themselves about as unpopular as they currently are?

Comms play a part, Alought Starmer is horrible at it Mahood, Miliband, Alexander and Streeting are good at pumping out their message wrt their respective ministries but regardless of the comms I think the Govt still be unpopular imo

I think its a case of questioning if the electorate really paying attention to core labour policies or are people’s attention spans being dominated by single issues such as the cost of living/immigration?

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They definitely are, but being a single issue voter is legitimate so thems the breaks as they say.

Your points are sound and logical but I don’t agree they are skewed or improperly weighted. I think it’s a simple case of remembering the events.

Starmer never entered office with much popularity to begin with. At the time as @Jakeyboy correctly stated voters patience is getting lower and there disillusionment is getting higher. It’s also a fact that voters on the average never knew what he stood for. No part due to his campaign for ‘change’ was contradictory to his mass u-turns.

Now the ‘secret strategy’ the centre types were sprouting (lol push them left while in office) aside. Electorally this didn’t change much but the perception of voters it definitely did. Once you lose people it’s really difficult to get them back.

Secondly ‘first impressions’ in office and in life (annoyingly) do matter. On the surface the Lord Alli donations wasn’t a big deal but the smugness and smarminess they presented in that ordeal was a vindication to the belief ‘they’re all the same’. To the surprise of nobody I never believed in Starmer but even that was surprising to me the flagrance of it.

They followed this up with bad policymaking (this is a result of u-turning so much, you don’t leave yourself with more options you leave yourself with none at all).

Now people mention comms. You don’t need to be a good communicator when you’re correct and they definitely weren’t. Confusing terms like ‘working people’ didn’t help because Labour didn’t have a clue the heck that meant either.

Cutting winter fuel allowance was just bad policy period. I know complaining about boomers is popular but universal policies like that I find generally inoffensive and I broadly support. (Aware there’s people that respectfully disagree) I compare it to EMA for young people cut from the Tory/Lib Dem coalition. Incidentally also a universally applied allowance that didn’t cost a lot but had a bigger social impact (I remember the impact it did to me at least). Both parties lost ground with young voters (Lib dems for a bigger reason). Now not only that Labour did it to a voter base that actively votes but is generally right wing.

Also they executed it in a stupid way where they embarrassed themselves by walking back some of it. A few of their policies ended up like this. (welfare cuts etc).

I could go on with policies but to switch to cost of living. Reeves didn’t do Starmer much favours there. People are still complaining about the taxes to this day. That talk about ‘black hole’ which vanished when convenient just another example of comms not really mattering if you’re correct and they weren’t.

Immigration, I’ve said it before. If Labour don’t meet them where they are they lose. I believe some MP’s are revolting against Mahmoods plans which aren’t good enough for these type of voters. So good luck to them there. They should somewhat know this given they went after these voters in the election. No way they’re gonna stick around if they aren’t satisfied.

To me it checks out that it’s in the dumps. Is all of it fair? Not really I consider every Tory leader post Blair worse than him. But that’s scraping the barrel.

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They have crazily kept their good actions quiet and their bad actions they have helped amplify as much as possible.

They don’t help themselves and their people in the background are awful

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Hector Bellerin for PM, I say. Shame he’s swapped London for Seville.

I’ll be happy to see the back of Starmer, the country needs hope and he’s delivered the same old politics of division and isolationism that people can get from Reform and the Tories.

If he does go because he overlooked the intelligence he had on Mandelson then the King should also abdicate his role because for every page the PM and our secret service had on Mandy, you can be sure the Palace had 10 pages with receipts. Charles will know everything from his brother’s handlers but will the police interview him too? I can’t see it somehow, no judge in Britain would dare cross the monarchy.

Another dose of “nothing to see” coming-up.

McSweeney resigns.

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After careful reflection, I have decided to resign from the government.

You weren’t in the government mate!

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Remains to be seen if that will be enough to save Starmer, I think.

Seems opportunistic.

This in-fighting is turning into a circus.

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“pSyChOdRaMa” is a phrase I expect to hear a lot of.

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Waiting for news of the resignation of a Prime Minister.

This is sooooo first half of the 2020s.

What a rat, seems to have jumped the gun

There something about prominent Scottish politicians that seems so desperate, tacky and self serving.

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