Abbott never said her remarks where themselves racist, which you claimed she did.
No she didn’t acknowledge that she had been racist.
Yes, I know you do, I was asking you to explain this opinion.
Is there any evidence of what her actual apology is?
So my read on it is that she’s apologising for the reaction it caused and not about the actual comments themself.
Nice.
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I think it is debatable whether she acknowledged it or not, and I think I have expressed my opinion but appreciate you and others disagree with it.
Personally, I don’t see how people can defend her. As James O’Brien said, she is either a liar or an idiot.
It isn’t really debatable, she didn’t acknowledge being racist in her apology. Probably because she wasn’t being racist.
I was asking you to explain why you think she was racist, but you’ve just restated that you think she was. But that’s fine, you’re not obliged to explain, and let’s face it, it’s not like you’ll convince me that she was, so why bother.
https://x.com/nicholasguyatt/status/1947408684365033743?s=46
Legend.
Party doesn’t seem to matter anymore, it’s the ghouls and non-ghouls.
https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/1947048296175788342?s=46
Please just cry and quit again.
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Utter useless cunts
Its scary that this country is so fucking disjointed.
Meanwhile you’ve got fucking gammons protesting with violence and causing damage to public property, then people protesting peacefully as is their absolute right. Sole of these older people who haven’t an ounce of violence in them being fucking arrested.
Its not a fucking immigration problem it’s a government has lost its moral compass problem.
Ahhh the good old fashioned lie about how wealthy people will leave in their droves if you implements a small 2% wealth tax on them.
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“wealth tax? Then my business won’t trade in one of the 10 biggest economies in the world anymore, that won’t damage us at all”
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The issue with a Wealth Tax beside the unworkability is you have a political unfortunate like Richard Burgon attempting to champion it in parliament with no draft bill or grounded fiscal calculations.
Its hard to take these people or their proposals seriously.
Is there any way of getting more money from rich people/corporations that you think is workable?
Just trying to get a sense of whether you oppose this specific policy, or if it’s blanket opposition to trying to get them to pay more.
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For people, You can fiddle with the sliders for existing wealth taxes and explore reforming Council tax into a US style land value/property tax.
I said I think it mistake not to touch income tax or NI as that represents over 70% of treasury revenues. The attempt to isolate “working people” for the impact of covid and government borrowing will be more costly down the line.
The treasury needs more money alot more, the UK’s fiscal position is becoming untenable, treading towards disaster. Cutting govt spending in of itself is not a solution anymore and I can see why the idea of wealth tax appeals to people but if we ever get to the point the Govt arbitrarily need to seize wealth it could be game over already not even countries seeking IMF bailouts do that.
I oppose the specific policy, people who advocate for it rarely get into the detail of how it would work or offer reasonable calculations for the yield and ignore the second order effects of such a policy that we’ve seen attempted elsewhere. There’s nothing holding Lord Kinnock or Burgon from presenting a draft bill because one will almost certainly be required, I think they know if they do to wouldn’t stand up to scrutiny.
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I think if this government touches income tax it’s finished. All of the sectors that have been out on strike in the last couple of years would be straight back out there again in my opinion.
It’s already an unpopular government, hitting people’s wages directly, especially across the earning spectrum would surely be destructive to any chance of re-election.
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Why should the people foot the bill for the millions of self employed/big corporations that play the system and pay as little tax as possible.
I’m self employed, I’m sure if I could afford a world class accountant they could find creative ways in which I could pay next to nothing tax.
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I agree but its time the UK electorate faces up to issues head on rather than punting them to your kids or grandchildren.
The current electorate is very selfish and that manifests itself in a Parliament where we can’t even make a poxy £5bn saving to a welfare budget that has clearly ballooned and similarly where we can’t touch the Triple lock because of the electoral backlash from anyone over 50.
Even doing things that don’t affect tax and objectively boost the treasury like planning reform meets massive opposition.
This can’t go on, if you want good public services and a NHS you have to meet a higher tax burden, everybody does. Income tax is the most reliable and steady revenue stream so it has to start there, people in higher bands already pay a much higher proportion of their income to govt. “Working people” have to pay too, that’s progressive taxation is it not?
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People want US style taxation but European public services. Something has got to give.
I’d accept paying more tax to have a better country with better public services as long as corporations and the very richest also see increases in their taxes too.
Appreciate your reply to my earlier question too, always appreciate your perspectives.
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Meh, I’ll put up a defence.
Resistance to tax rises from the common man I think is easy to understand, expenses have gone up (food prices just reported to rise again this year) and it’s not relenting. It’s already difficult beyond reason.
I personally object that they’re being selfish. Especially over that trash welfare bill. But that aside for a second. The UK defense spending increased without a peep but anything that helps people the funding is a concern? Whatever.
We built a unequal society where the rich gets richer, only one group of people can handle the burden. Should of built better society if this dynamic is undesirable.
Next reason is more worrying I think people are losing/have lost confidence that it won’t result in better services. Another Tory legacy no one should forgive them for.
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I think there are excellent points there. Low tax and great public services does feel like an unrealistic expectation. But I think where there is justifiable anger is that some sectors of the economy have, since 2008, had a great deal of impact on why economic circumstances have been difficult and been overly shielded from facing any of those consequences.
If there has to be a higher tax burden, then there are banks and large corporations that need to shoulder more of it than they’re accustomed to in concert with and before ordinary people being hit for those tax rises to be accepted.
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