Howard Webb and his Cabal of Cunts

I have the solution. Dont stop the game and just allow treatment to happen.

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Yesterday wasn’t disgraceful at all.

He got the ball first for me.

https://x.com/bom_foot/status/1979609634605265308?t=QeBCWeYCpkS83RRbtg2z9Q&s=19

:pires2::arteta:

Looks like he got the ball to me

Might need to get your eyes tested

We’re back to, ‘Let’s try something new if the decision could benefit Arsenal.’

It would have been a super soft penalty but I don’t get why Stockley Park were so involved in this one.

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This I agree with.

I don’t believe var had to get involved for it. It wasn’t clear and obvious. Let either decision go as for me its an opinion decision not factual

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The word “first” didn’t make it to the second post eh :gabriel:

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As I’ve said elsewhere in here. The discussion over whether he got the ball first is mostly irrelevant because of what happened 5 minutes later. Zubimendi goes in for the ball, gets to it first but in doing so catches the player he’s tackling. Foul given. Correctly in my opinion. “But I got the ball” is a weak justification for a foul.

Yet in the penalty area under the direction of the jokers watching 200 miles away getting the ball first appears to be all that matters. This now seems to apply even if, as we saw at Newcastle, the goalie only gets an accidental touch on his way to his intended action, to take out our forward.

It’s a total shambles and it’s one of the PGMOL’s own making. A referee, I wish I could remember which one, was asked for an opinion on TV a few weeks ago and he said “You’ve got to have a higher threshold for a foul in the penalty area”. Wrong, wrong, wrong. Foul play is the same no matter where it happens on the field of play.

If Zubimendi’s tackle was a foul then a defender putting his knee into Saka’s thigh in order to gain procession is a foul. Taylor made the correct decision, VAR (who should only get involved for a “clear and obvious error”) should have only have opined on whether it was in or outside the penalty area. They cleared that threshold, what they then did was over-reach on their part. You don’t have a clear and obvious error if the guys with the 10 camera angles need to check each angle they have to decide a possibly marginal error of judgement. The commentator heard that VAR “were trying to find a good angle to show Anthony Taylor”, which says it all really.

They are killing the game at the top level by constantly changing the rules and the processes they use to officiate games and the bad reputation they are giving football match officials will lead to some poor park football official being seriously assaulted for making an honest error.

As an official, I was able to speak to a player and admit that I may have made an error, I did it several times to calm things down. When the PGMOL can start acting in good faith and admit from time to time that, “whoops that wasn’t right” it will improve their credibility considerably.

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When we get the ball first it’s a penalty. Yet we’ve had two go against us this season where the ball is won after and not given. Make it make sense.

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Yep, a good point, well made. The narrative from the PGMOL changes doesn’t it? This is where most of the press are complicit by not pointing out the mistakes and hypocrisy.

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I thought the Saliba one was a pen, and yesterday’s wasn’t :slight_smile:

Why? Whats the defining difference for you?

Genuinely what difference does that make. I don’t have re emphasise it in every post

I think that penalty yesterday was also a scenario where slowing it down makes it less impactful.
In real speed, you can very much see how that brought Bukayo down.

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“He got the ball first” and “he got the ball” are two different statements, and only the second is true.

You started with the first and then switched to the second after Mr Nostalgia posted a video showing that he made contact with Saka first and then got the ball secondarily.

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I think the thing we all agree on then is that it wasn’t a clear and obvious error. So VAR should have fucked right off.

Mirror reporter Tom Canton’s piece in the paper said it wasn’t a penalty, after it went to press he saw that same video and changed his mind. Now he’s got hundreds of angry messages on Twitter from Gooners.

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I didn’t switch I must have forgotten to type it. I still have the same opinion

I think I am with @Mr_Nostalgia on this one…I got bored slow slowed down the clip - the freeze frame below shows the defender makes contact with Saka’s knee before the ball. That said, the bigger issue I have with this penalty decision is that it is so marginal. If the rule is that VAR should only intervene with clear and obvious errors, then I really struggle to see how this is either clear or obvious. Personally, they should just review every penalty decision and be done with it, and do away with the pretence that VAR only intervenes in certain situations.

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Or none at all and fuck the whole system off…