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Looks like the ship lost power at the absolute worst time.

https://twitter.com/brick_suit/status/1772550706584596751?s=46

Some random Russian minister says there was UK and US involvement in the attack and western media reporting it without checks. Im sure some will be as equally put out about this ‘sloppy’ reporting :thinking:

Alexander Bortnikov, the head of the FSB, Russia’s internal security agency, said on Tuesday that Britain, the United States, and Ukraine were all linked to the attack.

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If there is no concrete evidence presented, no need to already write a story about it so then it would be sloppy reporting and journalism yes. :slight_smile:

Regarding the ISIS links, you don’t think it’s a bit weird how fast they pushed out that narrative? Almost to the nano second after the attacks happened :joy:

Guess anything to paint Muslims bad and shape public opinion in light of Israel’s continuously committing genocide against Muslims in Gaza and western support of it.

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This is going to be one of these events where the truth will be impossible to find as both russian and western reporting is full of propaganda and bias.

Wouldn’t be surprised if Ukrainian or western forces paid ISIS to do a job as a final lashing out given events in Ukraine but this is complete speculation. ISIS are guns for hire at this point as well.

Conspiracy theorists having a field day now.

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Reminded me of the “Not sure” guy from the Idiocracy movie/documentary

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https://twitter.com/NorthmanTrader/status/1772351669973508233?t=tqgYsIkz4k5PQS0b22GPVw&s=19

That’s nice.

That spike in 2020 is just a joke. Come on.

What do we know so far?

The four suspects are most likely the perpetrators. They were wearing body cams recording the massacre.

  • originally from Tajikistan
  • one worked as a cab driver, one as a barber and two were unemployed.
  • all four had very basic education.
  • they were offered money, half of which was paid upfront and half which they were supposed to receive after the deed.
  • the suspects themselves don’t know much about the scheme behind the scenes. Communication went by text messaging.
  • the US and UK knew of an imminent attack by “ISIS” / I wonder why

ISIS typically commit mass murder for fanatic ideological reasons, not for (measly) money. ISIS has very sleek PR. Nothing sleek about these guys.

My wife and I had to laugh when we saw 20 minutes after the attacks Western media in unison push out the ISIS narrative.

Also, which nation destabilizes nations around the world? Which nation is in between Gaza and Israel? Ukraine and Russia? The Koreas? China and Taiwan? :slight_smile:

Which nation helped topple Allende? Supported communist genocidal maniac Pol Pot? Supported right wing paramilitaries in Latin America?

Russia obviously has its own agenda and propaganda. I wouldn’t trust their narrative, but all governments have their own agendas and goals. Western propaganda is on another level :joy: They throw out a narrative and even if it’s wrong, most people hear it first and don’t think further anymore, don’t see a rectification (if there is any) and the opinion is already shaped.

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Well there’s a video of the FSB cutting off one of the guys ears and feeding it to him and another one of them electrocuting their balls, so part of me wouldn’t be surprised if they’re just telling them what the Russians told them to say after days of ruthless torture lol

But yeah, apparently the US in cahoots with Ukraine paying a bunch of untrained taxi drivers to shoot a load of civilians is the more likely story. Not sure what they get out of that. Especially since they warned the Russians weeks before it happened. Why try to scupper your own false flag?

What is worth noting however, is that 3km from the concert hall there’s a riot police station and it took them over an hour to suit up and get there and storm the building at which point the terrorists had gotten away, uploaded their videos and then managed to travel another 500km. Russia were real quick to jump on this and say it was a Ukrainian attack and use the incident to try and unite the Russian people.

I think it’s much more likely that ISIS did orchestrate it (given how Muslims are treated in Russia) and the terrorists were forced to say they took money for it because the Russians realised this was a good opportunity to try and pin it on the West in an attempt for Putin to try and consolidate power/support.

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It’s a terrible way to try to extract information, and yet all major intelligence agencies still use it.

When the Bataclan happened, the police forces were also within a radius of 3km. Didn’t really matter, did it? Or Charlie Hebdo? Or the Las Vegas shooter? Or any school shooter?

Massacres are quick and devastating.

Also they chose a Friday evening to commit their massacre, which is a very busy time on the roads of Moscow. This is the situation on the roads in Moscow and Crocus hall is in the center, where it is busiest:

As for how they extracted that information, not the only ones to do it the barbarian way. Guantamo? Which country again owns it and tortured captives there? Hmmm

The body cam footage recorded the massacre and the faces of the perps.

How are they treated? Please do tell. :slight_smile:

German word of the day: Klugscheißer :slightly_smiling_face:

I was just watching a documentary on Charlie Hebdo yesterday and the first police vehicle turned up 15 minutes after the first call in the London Bridge attack the SAS had landed a helicopter and shot all the terrorists also within 15 minutes.

The helicopter is smart by the British security forces / SAS. Something the Russian security forces could have done, I agree, to circumvent traffic blockades.

Still curious to hear from you how Muslims are treated in Russia.

Here’s an interesting paper

ISIS also tends to cite the wars in Chechnya, incursions in Dagestan and treatment of Muslims in the Caucasus as second class citizens for why they attack Russia.

Not that this is super relevant to the fact that the attacks was much much more likely to be Russian opportunism than the US cooking up an outlandish terror attack and then trying to thwart it like you were pitching.

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What are the protein macros for ear meat?

lol

U.S. could never ….

Right

Don’t do it @Cristo , it’s a trap :slightly_smiling_face:

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