Not sure about Tuchel, he has the same sort of flaws as Wenger, his defensive side of the game is really poor, go gunho attacking etc. He has some nice football going but i just dont feel it!
So, i’m reading that Red Bull Leipzig (booo, hiss) might be denied entry into next season’s Champion League, based on Red Bull Salzburg winning the Austrian Bundesliga and thus creating a potential conflict of interest.
Salzburg are your standard ‘lose in the play off round every year’ club, but I wonder what they’d do if both made it through to the group stage draw?
I guess they’ll just treat it as a country clash and keep them apart, but interesting to see what UEFA decides on this, as it’s only going to happen more often years down the line with the amalgamation of corporate and football interests.
Apparently the issue has been solved already by separating both clubs on the executive level so far that they’re not seen as directly connected anymore. It has to be seen though if it holds towards the UEFA but at least from what I’ve been reading the Red Bull clubs seem confident that it will be possible to have both participate in the competition.
It will definitely be an interesting topic this summer. Here’s an article in German if you want to read about it:
Whats the deal with the hate? Are Leipzig a sort of german Chelsea? As in, challengers that came from nowhere but due to investmet now have a seat at the table?
I don’t really see how Leipzig are any worse than Wolfsburg who are basically just the footballing extension of VW, or PSG and Man City who are essentially just extensions of the Qatari tourist office.
It’s not like they’re buying Messi and Ronaldo and Hazard, they’re buying younger players with potential and then making them play excellent football through hard work and good coaching and management.
Reddit really hates leipzig too, but I don’t see a huge issue with them. Maybe it’s because I quite like Redbull.
I’m sorry Cristo but the situations are nothing alike. Wolfsburg the city was founded just prior to WW2 as a settlement providing factory workers to build the new VW beetle, with the club that would become Vfl Wolfsburg forming around these workers starting out shortly after and moving through the amateur ranks. Thus you have an industry / football association that goes way back and they do not contravene the 50+1 rule.
Red Bull Leipzig do contravene 50+1. Blatantly. The club is actively restricting supporter membership. They were formed 8 years ago to push sales of Red Bull and tbf to them, its working a treat. Just don’t expect football supporters who admire the way German football ownership (mostly) works to approve. I despise Red Bull Leipzig for what it is, even if I can’t do anything about it and “it’s the way football is going, deal with it”
Man City and PSG are not German clubs and aren’t bound by any traditions of fan ownership.
Btw I understand if you think my point of view is weird but I grew up in an era before the Premier League and its clubs started exploiting match going supporters in the extreme ways it does these days so I always base current experiences on how things were prior.
Red Bull Leipzig is a stain on German football and i hope they never win the Bundesliga, altho of course they will at some point. Long live Bayern Munich!
It’s primarily because they go against the basic idea of fan ownership in Germany (50+1) which is deeply rooted in German football. The idea is that the majority ownership stays with the club and so with the fans and the community and can’t be bought by rich individuals or corporations. RB Leipzig have been restricting any kind of outside influence to their best of their abilities though.
They did also not even exist 10 years ago, so they lack the history aspect too. Red Bull Salzburg being a thing too and both club’s crest looking very similar there’s just this huge connection to the energy drink more than it is to the actual club, which doesn’t go well with older fans or people who are being brought up supporting clubs with deeper connection to their community.
I see, I just don’t feel the same way as I have no relationship to German football.
Credit due where credit is due though, RB Leipzig may have been started in 2009 but they’ve been promoted 5 times since then to get to the Bundesliga and have now done extremely well all built on the premise of sound management and excellent youth players. In fact, dare I say it, we could probably learn something from them when it comes to that.
I’d also like to say it’s not like they bought out some old, prestigious, historical club and then transformed it. Did anyone know who SSV Markranstadt was before 2009?
It’s not like Notts County or Fulham or whatever getting bought and being called DFS Nottingham FC or Tesco Hammersmith FC.
I feel where you’re coming from though, it is annoying to see the commercialisation of football to that extent.
How do they contravene 50+1? And why is it being allowed?