Personally I think lowering the age to 16 is the way to go.
They are no more stupid than the rest of us. We had 16 year olds vote in Scottish independence and it didn’t cause a crazy thing.
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Lol
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When are all these stupid cunts going to die?
Who even wants this? Nobody.
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Brexit for the win! The journey of my new Garmin watch. All that extra carbon emission to get my watch from Spain to the UK. Does everything have to go through The Hague first for customs? Or is this just a TradInn thing? I honeslty have no clue in regards to the custom procedures, but this seems insane.
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My book recently went from Cornwall to Rotterdam, into Ireland, rejected by customs and is currently on its way back to Cornwall via Rotterdam.
Maybe it gets through on second time of asking.
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By now the book could be in Rotterdam or anywhere,
Liverpool or Rome.
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Absolutely ridiculous. These items will he more well travelled than most Americans.
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Looks like it just came from the Hague, and to Italy.
Unless part of the shipment history has been left out.
Now imagine you’re running a small business that depends on parts that are only available in the EU.
This bollocks about us not being in the trade or customs union has totally fucked our country. It gives me no sense of satisfaction that I warned my Brexit-supporting MP about this 8 years ago. He shrugged it off as “project fear”.
I must write to him again soon and ask him what happened to the “intelligent virtual border” he said “technology would make vehicle checks easy” along the Irish border.
Reminds me the moment that we had MP’s calling a potential hard border in Ireland “Project Fear”, when even a cursory understanding of the Good Friday agreement would inform you that Brexit was going to be a problem.
How did they even solve that in the end? I heard something about a sea border, or something?
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There are random checks of the contents of commercial vehicles near the border on both sides apparently.
As UK residents don’t need a passport to go to Ireland it’s still an open border. So there’s an escape route into the EU but not the schengen area, sadly.
Project fear innit
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Reality is that Brexit has not been good for Britain, mostly because there was no plan to begin with and then everything around it has been haphazard ever since
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There was no good way to do it.
The referendum should never have been held, and we should have voted remain when it was.
I think there was a point, maybe 15 - 20 years ago, when Europe could have evolved towards a real federal government that would have made all its states much more prosperous and secure but that chance is gone.
In this timeline, the Brexit process and the work that the EU did to make sure Britain was harmed to the maximum possible extent as well as the disastrous Tory handling of it on our side means Britain can’t rejoin now. And if a referendum was held, I don’t think the result would be rejoin.
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#badbrexittakes
I can expect no less from a shitrag like the independent
Do you think Brexit has been good for the UK?
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Yes.
What we now know is that the doom mongering and financial projections about the economic impact of Brexit were widely off the mark, and the last 5 years happened in a post covid environment under poor economic management from successive Tory PMs.
The primary issues in the UK are ones that are not tied to EU membership. That’s not to say there hasn’t been any detrimental impact in any way as a result of leaving.
So what did The Independent lie about in that article?
Has anyone gained because of Brexit, if they have, who are they?
The front and centre figure of £27bn is incorrect as it relates to a two year period rather than just 2022 as the Independent suggests. £13.5n and the accompanying tax revenue is less than the UK’s yearly contribution to the EU at circa £20bn.
Also the drop in goods concerns the immediate period after the FTA was agreed which would be the roughest period of transition. No one ever said exiting would be without issues or that business wouldn’t be affected, particularly in the short term.
Also they deliberately do not mention the UK services sector which is a primary export and is still incredibly robust.
There’s another discussion to be had about barriers to trade and excess customs which are almost universally required by the EU.
The rest of figures aren’t binary “lies” more like half truths, the problem is the data presented is highly selective and doesn’t come with accompanying context whilst being framed in an anti brexit light for low information readers.
There’s a lack of context for all the figures presented, for example the net migration increase under the tories has nothing to do with Brexit, its just a failure by the Tories on domestic policy to keep numbers low which ultimately cost them at the GE24. In the same vein, the net migration of EU nationals is under 100k which is negligible for a population in excess of 3 million.
Not sure you can present the divorce bill as a “cost” as those sums are liabilities that we would be paying regardless. I don’t see a drop in EU students as a bad thing nor do I feel much sympathy for dairy producers struggling to find cheap labour. OBR projections are generally worthless given that they’re essentially assumptions.
I find it interesting, 5 years on pro-EU types and remainers really hang their hats on the economics of a post brexit UK. It just an objective fact the OBR, financial analyst and pro EU think-tanks were wrong about the extent of economic damage leaving would cause.
No one comments positively about EU federalism or its democratic institutions as a reason we should go back, it is always economics which largely favour a Brexit environment in the long term of with a government minded to take advantage of opportunities.