Well if the EU wonât budge and we run out of time then itâs no deal. On this basis the EU must surely budge.
Did I understand correctly that Corbyn is NOT in favor of a second referendum?
The EU doesnât really lose out at all in a no deal scenario so not sure why they would budge to be honest.
Corbyn likes to think of himself as a principled politician that is part of the left of the Labour party but in reality he is just as slimy and hypocritical as all the other politicians and will say anything to get his hands on power.
He is one of the few Labour leaders I can remember that I canât stand.
Even Blair, when in opposition, seemed likeable and had loads of Charisma but Corbyn to me is unelectable and is never going to be Prime Minister.
He is out equivalent of Hilary Clinton.
Very few floating voters are going to vote for him, and he certainly isnât going to gain many votes from Tory voters, so Labour have ruined any chance of getting in power with Corbyn just like the Democrats did with Clinton.
Iâd be very surprised if either Johnson or Rees Mogg werenât the next Prime Minister when May leaves.
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Not accurate at all, merely an opinion.
They may budge for something concrete or a change in strategy, but I donât them see doing it in perpetuity. Plus the onus is really on us to prevent a no deal brexit
It is an opinion but I remember when Blair was in a similar position after years of Tory rule and he was very electable but most importantly, even quite a few traditional Tory voters were not averse to him.
The same canât be said of Corbyn.
He is the opposite of Blair, who was dynamic and who assembled a great group of people to help him and who was charismatic.
Corbyn should be shouting from the rooftops about what the Tories have done to this country and he should be telling everyone that he is a remainer and will do everything he can to get us back in the EU.
The reason are in this mess is because the old have gone out in their masses and voted for Brexit, Corbyn should be going out and doing everything he can to get the young vote on his side, and from what I can see, he has done nothing.
Letâs put it this way, if he is the best Labour have to offer, then we are going to see the same thing that happened to the Democrats with Clinton be repeated in this country.
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Glad to see Mogg and co have changed their minds in the last 4 weeks and now no longer have no confidence in this government :unai:
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Youâre saying he canât attract floating voters, how would the above help? Over half the electorate voted for Brexit, there doesnât seem to be much solid evidence that the sentiment has changed, so what good do you think it would do to say that heâs a hardcore remainder and will do everything to stay in?
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Obviously, because he was almost identical to a Tory.
Obviously, heâs a socialist.
He has been, constantly.
The young do back him, at least more than anyone else.
Democrats were in power and lost by fielding an unpopular candidate. Labour are fielding their most popular candidate. If he doesnât win itâs got more to do with the country being divided.
Oh god I had to turn off Andrew Neilâs interview with JRM. The guy has absolutely no idea about economics yet is given free air time to spout his crap about tariffs.
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Because the older and well off predominantly voted Brexit while the younger voters didnât bother voting because they never though it would happen.
If everyone in this country voted in a new referendum Iâm fairly sure the result would be a lot different.
A lot of people have changed their minds and the voters that didnât vote might be tempted to turn up.
I can remember back to Michael Foot when he was Labour leader and he was unelectable, not only because he was too far left but because he lacked charisma and was an easy target for the media.
Corbyn is the same, and as I said, he is the British equivalent of Hilary Clinton.
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Maybe, but he was electable and at least increased public spending.
It doesnât matter how popular Corbyn is with the left, itâs how popular and effective he is seen to be with floating voters that is important.
Well, not loud enough.
Thatâs my point.
How is Corbyn the best Labour has to offer?
Yeah and my most was predicated on me not being aware of any solid evidence that this is true, do you have any?
Iâm not sure an arch neo-liberal is what the country is calling out for now lol. That position has been, as is being, roundly rejected. Iâm not sure you have any evidence that JC isnât able to swing floating voters, it may be correct, but I wouldnât be so sure. The Libs fell dramatically, so did Greens, and so did UKIP, and since we virtually had a hung parliament it would be reasonable to assume that he secured a lot of those voters. Brexit will put an upper limit on all sides on this matter too.
Itâs practically all he bangs on about. What are you even on about.
Itâs largely meaningless to discuss as he was voted by Labour members by the biggest vote ever in a leadership contest. If you think Kier Starmer or Yvette Cooper would do better, youâre basically delusional.
Of course he doesnât, Remain slightly ahead in polls by a similar margin to last time.
From the polls Iâve seen, if there were another referendum remain would win.
Itâs fairly well known that Tory voters, who presumably were a large percentage of Brexiteers as well as the old, would turn out in a hurricane to vote, yet floating voters are more fair weather voters and it seems as if a lot of stay at home voters did so because they didnât think the vote would be close.
I shudder to think what all of this bullshit has cost the uk so far and it has to be recouped somewhere so that means more fucking tax. It looks increasingly likely it is not going to happen what a fucking waste of time and money as per usual with our stupid government. Does anyone actually have any reasonably reliable figures as regards to costs of this bullshit thus far?