Brexit

Yeah, definitely crazy haha. They might view Corbyn as being pro Brexit but he’d do some pretty radical socialist shit (by modern British standards that is) if he could and that’s basically their worst nightmare lol

The British Buggery Corporation at it again.

Also interesting:

I’d be suspicious of calling propaganda there, I suspect news channels regularly edit these things to make them more watchable and so they fit better into short segments.

:laughing:

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When Brexit is over I’m really going to miss the shit analogies most of all.


:joy::joy::joy::joy::joy:

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Only just come across this lecture by Sir Ivan Rogers on Brexit. Probably the most concise speech about the mistakes the government have made, the consequences of a no-deal brexit, and our future trading relationship with the EU. Pretty much covers every subject in detail.

It’s as long read but I’ll provide a link for anyone interested in these (boring) technicalities
https://news.liverpool.ac.uk/2018/12/13/full-speech-sir-ivan-rogers-on-brexit/

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A mere five days later… :thinking:

Mogg has become even more poisonous and bitter in his language since failing to oust May. Probably because it’s the first time in his life that he hasn’t got his own way and his and Boris’ political muscle us dwindling rapidly

Oh they are hypocrites for sure. All politicians hold integrity in degrees, but at the end of the day they all serve ideas and notions. I mean Mogg is actually right on the democracy issue, though he’s spent his career attempting to trample on democracy. Likewise Caroline Lucas has spent her life defending democracy but yet is now adamant in her wish to trample on it.

How much time has to pass before another vote on EU membership becomes OK? Because obviously democracy doesn’t mean having one vote and then standing by it forever, so it must follow that at some point it is OK to ask the population their view again.

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How long is a piece of string?

Lol if there a second Brexit vote they have no choice but to give us another one for independence :wink:

Well, quite. But I was interested in seeing what the opinion was of someone who says it’s undemocratic to do one now.

To avoid any misplaced assumptions, I’m totally torn on the question myself. Was pretty strongly against the notion of another vote for a long time, but as more time passes I find myself less sure. Right now, I’d honestly say I don’t have a position on the question, but I’m hoping that others articulating their position might help me develop my own.

I really don’t want another referendum, the first one was horrible and a second one would be even worse. Both sides are far too entrenched for their to any form of reasoned debate

I think a second referendum is only valid from a non-staus-quo point of view.

Like for Scotland, they chose the status quo so there’s no need to really propose the question again to ensure they definitely still want the status quo, and I’d say the same if remain won the first EU referendum. There’s no risk for keeping things as they are.

With the leave vote though the UK voted for revolution and tearing up treaties, so I think it’s slightly more reasonable to propose the question again to ensure people definitely want that revolution when it’s a bit clearer what that entails, and when undoing it will be very difficult.

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I don’t want a second referendum, but I think we need one.

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The question is should remain be an option? Leavers would cry betrayal if it were and a referendum that was boycotted by a significant minority would have no legitimacy.

I think it should be Remain vs Theresa May’s deal