Problem is these guys are hard sells no one wants them what club is gonna spend a fortune on a transfer fee and wages to make their club worse…it seems only wenger and gazidis thought it was a good idea
The delay this season is due to Ozil. If we can offload him for a fee (I’d take £20m just to free us from his salary) then we can start planning. Ideally our owners would stick their hands in their pockets and help propel the club upwards.
It really is about time the board came clean and managed our expectations. I think fans will be okay with a period of rebuilding if it’s part of a long-term plan but at the moment we’re watching our club become the subject of derision.
A big shout-out to Wenger for buying so many overpriced “potentials” only to train any tactical know-how out of them.
@arsenal
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I think the club would definitely take £20 million for Ozil, and the majority of fans would too, but nobody is offering it.
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Pretty obvious the way this window is going we would not have invested to much more if we had made the CL .
Things going to have to get worse before they get better Imo. You cant cheat the system dicks, you have to pay the price. Totally retarded outlook going on here.
Edu being employed for cheap south American talent. We are just trying to wing things all the time.
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I think that perfectly describes almost every season since we moved to the Emirates.
There has been no transfer strategy, just looking for bargains to shoe horn into the team, and any transfers we have seen have been reactive rather than pro active.
From when Kroenke took over we have seen us drop from title challengers, to top four trophy challengers and then to trying to maintain a place in the top six.
We have gone from having world class players in most positions, to having just a couple of good strikers, playing in front of a mediocre midfield and the worst defence I’ve seen at the club.
We have been overtaken by Liverpool and spurs but worse than that, we’re being embarrassed in the transfer market by them as well.
This transfer window will be possibly the worst we’ve had, considering what we needed and supporters are becoming accustomed to it, which is exactly what Kroenke wants.
He is ruining our club.
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That would be a great price at this point. His value has actually plummeted to €15-20 million by CIES estimations (based on both his contract and performance this past season). In truth, since he’s obviously not in Emery’s plans or a good fit for his system, Arsenal might be smart to basically give him away if anyone would take on most of his wages.
Stan Kroenke would not have $9 billion if he were that stupid a businessman. It’s in his financial interest for the club to succeed. If Arsenal descends into mid-table mediocrity the club’s value will plummet and Kroenke will lose profit on his £1.8 billion investment.
Again, the problem is that the club has been run so poorly in recent years and has been inept in the transfer market. Kroenke may not have realized that in the safety of 20 straight finishes in the top 4 and the Champions League, but changes have been made since Arsenal dropped out. It remains to be seen how the new management team will do, but Kroenke will want them to succeed if for no other reason than it will be profitable for him if they do because the club’s value will rise.
There’s still almost four weeks left in the transfer window. Let’s see how they do. It’s not like Arsenal’s Top 6 rivals have added a lot of significant players yet. Most transfers happen from mid-July until the deadline. And considering the mess that has to be cleaned up, this was always going to take more than this transfer window anyway. It’s hard to move the players Arsenal wants to move.
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I have to question what extent Sven’s departure impacted on our summer planning.
Our business last summer was decisive and prompt compared to this summer which seems more sporadic and speculative.
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I think it has impacted…contrary to others, it’s clear to me that Sven had identified targets for this summer before leaving, but with the changes that have been made and the budget we have it’s clear that we are not as organised.
I suspect as well a large part of the strategy this season is as much about selling players as it is about buying…and the more we sell the more we are able to buy. Got to just hope for a good July!
Well Kroeke was lulled into a false sense of security because Wenger managed to get him top 4 and steady profit with about 0 net spend even as the squad that he had acquired at the point of the move to the Emirates naturally begant to deteriorate and even after City and Chelsea became powerhouses and them and United should permanently take 3/4 top spots based on investments one could assume.
You make wrong assumption (well, slightly) though I think. Football clubs make profit almost no matter what if you’re a big brand right now simply due to how the football market (tv deals + sponsorships with ever increasing exposure) is developing. Looking back to 2008 he will have made money just owning us putting nothing in and doing nothing about anything almost (within reason, falling down to midtable positions out of the EL will probably be too costly, maybe that’s what you mean) ‘no matter’ the results on the pitch (as in not actually competing for anything). It is not about how we do relative to our competitors i.e. how much of the cake we can take, just whether or not we make more than we did 3 years ago, and that we do because even though we lose cake relative to our competitors the cake gets bigger faster. That’s why everyone’s been trying to buy a football club the last decade even though their interest is barely fleeting, it’s safe money. Not sure it’ll last forever but it has since then and that’s why Kroenke is a smart business man. Then he says we spend what we make and that’s the ultimate security he needs to continue to make profit the way things stand. Pay nothing and just gain money from the passive increase in value from the sport’s exposure increasing.
The problem for us fans is that it was fucking idiotic for him to not push in money from 2009ish and onwards because our squad would automatically wither with 0 investment year in and out, but Wenger got him CL anyway. Eventually when we could start making money again (as the bulk of the loan was paid off) we needed to pretty much shift out the entire squad and get uber quality in. And Wenger did it best he could, shipped out like 10 players every season and got one or two stars in from the likes of Real Madrid, Barcelona and Chelsea. Problem is that then we had one bum window with Mustafi and Xhaka and since we have no economic cushion for those kinds of things under our model we were fucked. We had one out - the EL win but we faced Atlético who could’ve been CL finalists and lost our spot there and then we were in the shits. Wenger did good to keep us floating under those working conditions, few managers could work with those restraints and get the CL consistenly as is evident as I think no other top league club has bar maybe Barca… (might forget something).
That money should’ve been invested to keep us at the top of the food chain when we rebuilt the emirates though. It should’ve been pumped in from the side to compensate, to prevent the deterioration. Before FFP was a thing even (not that it is one now either it seems at times). Now it is too late and we need to pull something out of our hats. Look at what the f is going on, we used to buy top class playmakers and attackers from the top clubs of the world, Juventus, Real, Barca etc. Now we’re buying kids from tier 3-4 clubs (w/e) and we can’t even fucking play them lol
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Look at the dogshit money we’re getting for Bennacer as well.
I’m sick of this. We haven’t handled our youth well since 2014, at all.
Shit valuation on them. Stop it. Useless cunts. All to play some shit bums such as Mkhi, Ozil, Welbeck.
Enough.
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I agree in part but it is not that simple. Unless we are going to play youth within the squad and give them a chance, they understandably will want to play. The best we can do is to loan or if we sell put in place % clauses for future sales. The money from the Bennacer transfer is decent considering that we weren’t going to give him an opportunity in the first team.
I would do the same for Bielik. Sell him this summer but insert a % clause for future sale.
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This is true, but the profit margins will be much higher as a Top 4 club and the club’s value will grow faster if the club is regularly in the Champions League. So it’s still in Kroenke’s financial interest to be there instead of Europa League – and especially over being out of Europe altogether.
To be fair, Kroenke didn’t have a controlling interest in the club until 2011, which is when Financial Fair Play came in. Not that he would have, but he was never in a position to spend like a drunken sailor as had happened at Chelsea and City to put them in the positions they are. There are some minor things he could have done on the financial end, but his main mistake was the comfort of those Top 4 finishes and allowing Gazidis to make such a mess of things. We can only hope the new guys do better, but of course the jury is still out on that.
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Well no Kroenke was already given the green light to take over in 2008 right when City had already announced a takeover, the rest was just him joining the board and slowly easing into the position (having 29.9% shares and getting all the paperwork to get the rest of them), and he could very well have shoved in cash then as he was a solid board member and the emirates project started in 2006. FFP was intended to be introduced in 2012 but wasn’t until 2015 as it was delayed and an ease-in period was established. By then we had already come out of the emirates bulk pay.
The money had to have come in between 2007 and 2013 and a bunch of other clubs spent like mad then and it was all fine. That’s when we paid nothing net for players and he could’ve helped us by not letting the squad be 20+ deadweights and a few alright ones going into say 2013. Now it is too late, now we’d need a lot more to get the damage control in order and that much we probably couldn’t get away with due to FFP lol
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Honestly, football can get to fuck. Had enough now. This is supposed to be the new regime. It’s just more of the crappy same. We need new players, we have no new players. Proper jokes. I don’t like any of the people running the show. Dislike most of the players too. Just get a throne for Bellerin to sit on when he gets back and the rest (the youths excluded) can fuck off.
Found myself feeling jealous of Chelsea just now. Some thought the transfer ban could break them. Not at all – their fans are HAPPY AND EXCITED.
I want to be happy and excited about my club 
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There is zero chance he would have “shoved in cash” when he didn’t have all the shares - that isn’t how business works.
Our mistakes have been mostly what SwissRamble already pointed out… we spent 450 million or whatever on mostly crap. And we managed contracts poorly so we let too many assets go for too little or nothing. Just look at Henry, Cesc, RvP, Sanchez, Ramsey, plenty of others who we let go for under market while Pool and Spurs were spinning gold from lead.
We need to start executing better and showing we are fing the least bit competent (at least last summer we started that route, now we have fng turmoil again with Sven leaving) before we throw good money after bad - it just saddles us with more Moose’s and Ozil contracts that we are f*ing stuck with.
As far as this summer - yeah, I am not happy either… it looks like we are all over the place - of course that is largely based on rumors and twitter BS… last year was a bit of an anomaly to get so much early business done and I reckon our bloated squad plus less funds is making us more cautious right now…
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He was already given the green light for a take over. He isn’t giving the money away in good will. You could’ve even made it a loan and then put it on the stadium and then paid it off, it doesn’t matter, that bureaucracy is hardly an issue for these men, the least of anyone’s concern. A few tens of £m is not a big whoop for him but it would’ve given us that extra player every season everyone and their mum was talking about.
We’ve managed transfers badly compared to some ideal scenario but it’s not worlds apart from what most other clubs have done. People just never take the droves of fails of other clubs into consideration. The difference is that they either do like scum and Liverpoool and yo-yo back and forth in and out of top football and we never did until now, or they do like United and Chelsea and just throw more money at the problem. We clearly have no cushion for bad transfers though.
Also the players have opinions. Half of the players you listed wanted more ambitions (Henry, RvP, Cesc probably) which we didn’t match with 0 net spend, they’ve even said so themselves in interviews. The second ones (Ramsey/Sanchez) got offered £400-500k/w at another club. There is absolutely nothing we could’ve done for them except sell them a year earlier before they were offered that much elsewhere… but let’s face it, we got £30m or w/e Micky was worth for Sanchez and we probably got the better end of the deal there. Ramsey was a gentleman, he sat out his contract. Not great business for us, but not the end of the world. Every other top club have made as dumb or dumber moves on the transfer market anyway. Özil was planned for another manager, now that we don’t have that manager that is inconvenient. A miscalculation by the board that one. Should’ve maybe tried to sell him as Wenger left… I’m guessing we did but who knows. Emery did at least give him a chance to prove himself at Emeryball and I think Özil took it, I like that from both of them… it just looks like it isn’t Özil’s speciality… not angry at any of the two of them for this situation.
Agree with the last bit as well. on OA everyone’s ofc having a bit of fun with the silly season rumours and all that, that’s normal. But from a more crude standpoint, ofc it is a lot of shit chatter but in the end we are getting like 5 young kids in for next season and if that’s it I am worried lol
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It doesn’t happen… “taking control” is not the same as owning outright.
the “ideal scenario” you reference (which I agree with) is not far from Spurs (who have spent literally nothing) and Pool - that is the problem… they are our direct rivals… Chelsea basically spends same as us these days and only City and Utd are in a different world.
We failed to execute against the evolving market, ESPECIALLY when pressed up against the teams we care about beating - that is the f*ing issue… we are spending more than them - in the case of Spurs, FAR MORE.
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And if we hadn’t been hamstrung by the Emirates build we would’ve had a good chance of having a squad far beyond theirs and could’ve comfortably been a tier higher than at least scum. There was no restriction whatsoever for a board member about to take over the club to write off players sales on the club back then. To pretend like the paper work was hard is not an argument.
Liverpool was gifted £80m more than they should’ve when Barca made the worst transfer in modern times with Coutinho and they struck gold with that money. You could scratch the £130m or w/e they got for Coutinho off on Keita, Ox and Benteke if you wanted to. That’s some nice £130m spent there. Klopp did great though (so did pooch), not saying that’s not the case. Just that the cherry picking doesn’t reflect model success.
And we’ve gone over this before. Chelsea in 2013 had a squad they paid a small nation’s GDP for while we had one that cost near nothing to assemble. Real spent nothing over the past 5 (?) years and won the CL 4 times and La Liga. Stop running this thing of short term spend when players are active for like 15 years. City could stop buying players today and win the league the next five years and it wouldn’t exactly be mind blowing would it. Just stop this now lol it’s not how it works.
We have failed to execute though I agree. Our model is still so far (!) vastly more successful than scums but we can’t keep toying around like this. Liverpool have always been a thing, especially in Europe. I mean I agree with where we’re going, I just don’t think the short term (a few years) says that much about clubs’ models when compared to each others. I do agree we are a bit shit in transfers ofc. We’ve put ourselves in a position where we need to strike gold like scum or pool instead of resting securely above that I guess is my argument, with an economic cushion, a stronger brand name in Europe and better pulling power. Even though you can get good transfers anyway as you point out scum and pool obviously have, it’s not the most successful model that anyone wants to go for. Spending gets you further and that has always been the case.
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