Clearly if you look at the conversation as whole, you can see that sham was not being respectful in any manner. Why do you think I told him he doesn’t have to be a dick because he deemed my answer not relevant.
What so I should be a complete cunt to me and give them the thumbs up?
What?? Be having a different perspective isn’t marginalising anything; more the point it’s giving a different view point.
I pretty sure that’s what debating and having a conversation on topics are about.
Calling people out by name old and new and people in another country is. Been a pattern of it each day with a general dismissal of anybody not agreeing with his views. It really is not hard too see.
Someone mentioned Emery getting flak for the Barcelona match (I think that match was a disaster in Emery’s case, I won’t be making excuses for it), I remember on the old OA members were praising Emery after he outwitted Klopp on the Europa League final also, wasn’t that the same season Tuchel (that is rated) had that disaster against Klopp himself?
Speaking of Klopp for now let’s not forget the big cloud surrounding Klopp in regards to him being the pinnacle of managers is the fact he keeps losing cup finals (I do not consider this narrative fair in his case BTW, but it’s there).That narrative was definitely there. Now we have to add the pretext that he took over a Liverpool team that whose’s season was already off to a bad start because of Rodgers but he still oversaw some horrible results, I think a manager that manages to win the Bundesliga with Barrios as your top scorer might know a thing or two about trying to get the best out of his players, but even he found it a struggle, even with one full season under his belt the next season he scraped his way into 4th position one point above us, the very next season (or last season), he could only do 1 point worse than before despite having Salah firing on all cylinders (CL Final was great mind you).
Until the VVD signing Liverpool fans were definitely annoyed seemingly with Klopp’s inability to get a grip with the defense, Klopp has been given time to slowly put together the squad he needs (9 first team signings in his first 2 full seasons, if we include this season that’s 13, more than an entire XI’s worth, also under his watch a dozen or more players were sold off).
This is not me saying Emery is better than Klopp or Guardiola, but he’s definitely going to need that time to see things coming to fruition and whether the end result of that is whether we get back up there in the top echelons of football clubs or not. Sokratis and Torreira has added already a lot to the squad, there’s going to be some growing pains (Emery is only 47 by the way, I hope and expect that he will evolve as a manager also).
I’ll ask you now seen as your brother doesn’t want to answer. How is saying I did not think what you said was relevant to the question asked being disrespectful. I didn’t say what you said was wrong, call you an idiot or any other names or anything. I simply said that what you said did not hold relevance to the actual question.
This is precisely why I focus heavily on league results in the evaluation of a manager (re: Emery), hence why it’s frustrating to see us appoint a manager with such a large sample of not particularly impressive league results (which, is, crucially, not the same as appointing a manager like Tuchel with a mixed bag of league results in a much smaller track record; anyways, Tuchel’s 78 pts with Dortmund in 34 games in his first season and the style of play there is easily a more impressive league performance than any on Emery’s record, which, for a club in our state, which is obligated to overachieve at this point in time not only to get closer to competing for the league, but also to qualify for CL spots**). There is just too much noise in one game finals to make anything of it. And when you are evaluating performance in cup competitions, it’s important to just focus on how they are generally performing; that is, Klopp has a history of getting deep into the CL, which mirrors his history of doing well in his league. The opposite approach tends to end up in Arsenal4TheTreble analyses, even insisting in recent years that Wenger is better, and basing it on such final records 
**relying on EL for CL qualification is a loser’s bet, for the same reasons why a better measure of a manager’s ability is the one I am saying.
I’ll remind again about a crucial part of the logic of why I find (found) the Emery appointment so alarming, ill-thought, and porous: Arsenal is obligated to overachieve, if it is to make up ground. For instance, this season, with Tottenham not having a spent in the summer, and United having its Mourinho catastrophe, we’ve been gift-wrapped a chance to overachieve and sneak into the top 4. With a decent, competent, but not particularly good manager like Emery, it’s not looking like we will take advantage of that. In the future, the gap between us and Liverpool and City, Chelsea likely, and United should they ever hire a competent manager, is only likely to grow until they present us with a window of opportunity through an end in cycle (something that’s not assured; who knows how long Guardiola and Klopp will continue at their clubs/how long it will take for their methods to wear down in effectiveness/if they will not simply replace them with equally top managers)…you simply do not make up an already important competitive gap with an inferior manager to your competition. Hence why I felt it was paramount that we chose someone who at least has the potential to be that (you will see also, that I strongly disagreed in years leading up to Wenger fired about the profile of manager we should be looking for, for these very reasons, @ljungbergkamp should remember this, as you were one of the people who touted the merits of a “hold the fort” and “bring us back up to speed with modern tactics” proven, safe bet type; the risk of stagnation is really not that much different from the risk of your manager being rather incompetent, the result is almost the same (something I’m reminded of with Emery’s time at Valencia: how different might the landscape of la Liga, and indeed Europe, look if they had hired an up and coming manager like Simeone instead of Atléti, instead of a custodian type who just kinda held water, in Emery)…let’s say we had hired a more risky proposition like Buvac, Arteta, Fonseca, or even Setién (though I really don’t think there’s any more risk in Setién than Emery, Setién has already performed better in his two full seasons in La Liga than Emery has in any), and they didn’t work out, how much worse off would we be? United is in full disaster mode, and are still 6th.
In a case like this, where treading water and all the fluff terms about “modernising tactics” (any manager would’ve done this, honestly, which is why this is a really meaningless statement that is used so much in defence of Emery and his appointment) and transitioning us into a post-Wenger future (again, almost any manager would’ve done this, extremely low bar) and downright catastrophe (ie, hire an Arteta type, and he turns out to be nothing special) really are pretty similar outcomes, and the opportunity cost lost is, on the other hand, massive, it really made no sense to make such a conservative, spineless, and cynical hiring like Emery. Hence why I take it a step further, and call it a sign of incompetence (I only hope mostly that of Gazidis’), and yes, there’s a very good chance that we look back with the benefit of history and see that we lost a massive opportunity to build something and instead fell into an era of stagnation and acceptance of a Tottenham like purgatory (which, mind, Tottenham’s positive cycle will end, Poch will leave eventually, and Levy will probably not strike gold again, but even then, that’s still City, Liverpool, Chelsea, and United ahead of us–should the inevitable happen and United finally make a decent managerial hire–and likely getting further ahead).
I wouldn’t characterize my pick as “hold the fort” with Simeone, but part of the argument against him was that he didn’t fit our style, so in the event that this was actually true (which I think is somewhat exaggerated), he would get us back to top 4, play with energy and discipline, and whip our coddled lot into shape - then hand off to someone who could mold them more in the philosophy of an Arsenal side… part of this is the simple fact of modern football - there aren’t 20 year appointments anymore I reckon - those days are probably gone.
So for me, the most effective manager in the next 2-3 years was most important, given the state of our squad and decline and at least in my opinion I felt Simeone would be optimal to do that. Frankly, I doubt Emery stays more than 4-5 years and that is if things start to go better - otherwise, I suspect the Board and Gaz will move more quickly.
Yeah, I’ve probably caricaturised your view a bit there, I cited you because you will know in our discussions long before there was even a manager to be hired my view on the profile that should be looked for, and you will probably remember how important I felt we went with a certain type of profile for the reasons I’ve once again described above.
At any rate, Simeone would’ve been a far more defensible appointment than Emery, as there’s really no comparing their managerial records, so he doesn’t really represent the kind of antithesis of the sort of appointment I think it was important for us to make as Emery does.
Mate I wouldn’t bother disagreeing with Gladiator, he’s a self-proclaimed unicorn wizard, and unicorn wizards aren’t to be fucked with, especially self-proclaimed ones. And by extension I wouldn’t bother too much with shamrock, he’s very much in awe of Gladiator’s self-proclaimed unicorn wizardnesss.
What a know it all you are !
What exactly do you know about The Arsenal? Answer… Absolutely fucking nothing!
You didn’t Stand on the North Bank during the Mee , o’neil and Howe years .
The trophyless years .
You have SIMPLY no idea what The Arsenal means to REAL Arsenal supporters . So before you post all your negative shit , think very long and hard about what you post .
The only reason WHY you have popped back up is because Emery has lost his 1st game in 20 odd matches . You certainly weren’t about when we put 4 past the Spuds , yet lose to the Saints and up you pop!
You are the ONE who thought a bushy eyed Spanish cock called Arteta could push The Arsenal into the top two … Arteta?
Exactly what has Arteta done in mangemant ?
Answer … , no YOU tell us
So come on Abou ‘I know the answer to EVERYTHING’ Cuellar
Spout your negative bullshit .
The testosterone in this thread is building 
Yeah REAL supporters like me and you! Get em Georgie!!
Emery’s past is something to contemplate before hiring him & by all accounts, his past achievements ranges from pretty decent to impressive.
Emery’s past doesn’t matter anymore.
What matters is how Emery performs for Arsenal.
Much like Mourinho’s briiliant past didn’t work for his Real, Chelsea & United present; Emery’s present could be anything. He could turn out to be next Moyes or next Wenger.
Might lose Ozil, but at least Xhaka and Ramsey perform well under him lol.
Got him two titles tho, one with Real and one with Chelsea. What he was doing before Real, League title every year for six years, was never going to be maintained obviously. United is disappointing.
What I find mildly amusing is how someone can write essays on why Emery’s past resume is unimpressive, despite winning three Europa League titles with Seville and doing well in the league to boot. Winning 7 trophies with PSG in 2 seasons.
And then go on and favour Arteta - who has exactly an unimpressive resume and done nothing remarkable at all - over an established manager.
It’s just poor logic and to be honest, everything he writes is intended as trolling. A serious user would have come around, apologised to the many users he insulted in many of his posts and just call it a day.
Not to mention how he disappears for weeks when we were going unbeaten, beat the scum 4-2 and are doing well despite having a squad full of injuries and weaknesses.
The moment we lose a game he comes out of his atleti-dungeon and posts the usual unbalanced, unnuanced drivel. Just stop feeding this troll who by all accounts is not an arsenal supporter, at all.
He can’t switch opinions now, that would be admitting one is wrong.
Just like Wenger he has to double down continuously.
Yeah, he can. If you’re a humble and honest person. You can admit that favouring Arteta who has done nothing to deserve the job, little to no experience and indeed an unimpressive resume was the wrong assessment and one should certainly then admit that calling Emery’s resume unimpressive in the light of favouring Arteta, is just plain illogical and false.
I think, in defence of AC and, in fact, any poster who may be ambivalent as to Unai Emery’s CV and his successes going forward, he will be more than happy to have egg on his face should Emery win us the league this season