It’s kinda an unwritten law.
We could beat Chelsea 3 times in 03/04, but not the crucial 4th time.
Chelsea beat Liverpool 3 times in 04/05 but, again, not the 4th time.
Man United beat us 3 times in 04/05, but not the 4th time.
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For both yourself and @Stroller - styles make fights gentlemen. If you have their number, you have their number
Spurs will still need a lot of luck to beat city, we know city will have 70 % of the ball and 20 shots.
The negative noise coming out from Tottenham has picked up over the last few days. Quite incredible how quickly it’s turned given their position around December time.
Rumours saying that they’ll go for Nagelsmann if results don’t improve. I don’t want that to happen.
First 25 seconds. I’m think the dressing room source is Dele Alli.
This is the tactics Jose used at his first season at Inter and the fans and media hated his approach. It was defend, boot the ball to Ibrahimovic and that was it.
It’s what forced Moratti to sign Sneijder and that changed the whole dynamic of how they played.
Inter were useless with this tactic and Spurs are proving useless with it too.
Signing proper attacking/creative minded players has always been a big issue in the Moratti-led era though. I think that is also a big season why they never won the title when they had Ronaldo/Vieri/Recoba from, roughly, '99 - '02. Conceicao, Seedorf etc didn’t really work out. After them they signed old Figo and Kily Gonzalez, whilst having Adriano.
Before Sneijder the last one that might actually succeeded was Djorkaeff in the late 90s.
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I’ve never liked Mourinho and could never understand why people respected him.
Wenger was a better manager and played far more attacking and entertaining football, which is why Mourinho used to wind him up with his childish “voyeur” and “specialist in failure” remarks.
He might be successful but when you’re the biggest spender in Europe you should be but, although the teams he’s managed have been effective and successful, they were usually boring to watch.
He’s lost the dressing room at a lot of the clubs he’s been at and his comments after the match against West Ham would indicate he might have done it again at spurs.
At Chelsea he had a solid defence and GK, top midfielders and a powerful striker.
Winning the PL title with players like Cech, Ivanovic, Cole Terry, Makelele, Essien, Lampard, Ballack, Drogba etc, with a bench full of even more world class players, should be the minimum but he really should have been doing it with a bit more style.
With spurs, he’s trying the same tactics as he always does, but with only two top quality players and it isn’t working out which has led to a few players turning against him.
That’s the sort of manager we should be after.
They were top of the PL a few months ago and spurs are still above us but they’re talking about getting a top young manager in to replace Mourinho.
Yet we haven’t been above mid table for most of this season and there are no rumours about replacing our worst ever manager.
Arsenal board:
Keep Wenger too long
Emery
Arteta
Keep Arteta
spurs board:
Pochettino
Mourinho
Possibly Nagelsmann
I can’t stand Levy because he hates Arsenal but that’s the way it should be with a club owner and their biggest rivals and, it’s because of that, I respect him.
I have nothing but contempt for our apathetic owner.
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Would be impressive if they can pull that off. I think Nagelsmann will have his eye on just a few clubs, ie Bayern, PSG, Real, Barce, City, United
I don’t think us or Spurs in that bracket for him to step up and progress.
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Nagelsmann was apparently frustrated after last year’s CL exit that RB Leipzig’s plan will really never allow him to keep his best players or supplement a young core with an established superstar. Not sure how things are better at Spurs unless they’re prepared to spend their way out of the hole.
Do they have a young core breaking through? No.
Do they have the ability to sign superstars to supplement that non existent core? No.
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We’re not in that bracket because our board are to stupid to get rid of the idiot we have in charge… They’d rather keep a feckin useless novice, than go anywhere near a decent manager!
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I think there’s likely financial reasons. This season is bust unless we win Europa or win all our remaining PL fixtures
IIRC Moyes had a clause where the United board could sack him without as many financial penalties if he didn’t perform in X position in the league. It could be we have a similar clause
The other issue is whether we have the money to pay £30m to break another managers contractual obligation. If not do we want any of the unemployed coaches? And then would the best of those in Allegri would want to come here? It could be Allegri has been tapped up by another club anyway.
So if we can’t get Allegri, do we want Valverde or Jardim or Spalletti? I don’t think any can speak English from my knowledge. Would we have to pay Benitez’s Chinese team if we employ him?
There’s simply loads of question marks that make me think it’s not as simple as fans think it might be
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That’s true but it’s a lack of investment and poor managerial choices that have got us into this mess so, unless we do something, it will continue and we will become a fixture in mid table, which is what Kroenke wants.
We are still a big name in European football and are one of the most profitable clubs so there is no reason we can’t attract the biggest names.
If Everton, Leicester and spurs can attract top managers then we should be doing the same and there is only one person stopping that happen.
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If Spurs lured Naglesmann I’d fucking implode.
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In the steady care of Arteta in 10th place. What more could you want?
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They already had to pay Poch 12m to sack him and apparently would have to pay José 30m more to terminate his contract. Levy has to hate that, especially given how tight money is right now.
I can’t see Nagelsmann going there. Their squad doesn’t fit his style and they’re not going to have any money to spend.
Probably the most sought after young coach in Europe, no way he chooses Spurs.
Would like to see them try and fail though.
Out of the CL and our wage bill means we aren’t that profitable. We probably should of gone for Ancelotti or Rodgers. I don’t see them as attainable now they’re on big contracts with PL teams
Most teams don’t pick up top managers from top clubs. It rarely happens because of the cost. Even Chelsea have picked up the following when they were unemployed: Mourinho, Tuchel, Conte, Hiddink amongst others.
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Yea for this reason I think they’ll stick it out another season. It’s not like Levy is spending like a CL club
It’s also not as complicated. You have a bunch of lawyers sit down and hash it out.
Yes, you might have to agree to a payout but that payout would terminate if/when that coach gets a new job. Arteta is a fraud but someone else will hire him because quite frankly, he looks the part. I’d be shocked if we were still paying Emery much if anything because he got a new gig.
The issue is more that the club are horrible at negotiating.
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Is this actually definitely true though? Legally the club have chose to terminate the contract. With the contract terminated legally the manager would not have legal obligation to the club anymore from my understanding. There’s speculation that Mourinho deliberately fails in his 2nd or 3rd year so he gets a payout before moving onto his next job.
Either way the issue isn’t paying out Arteta. The issue is paying out for any incoming manager. And if we need to get an unemployed one due to finances, if any of them are suitable.