It went through.
330 to 275.
Did it fall along party lines, or were there crossovers?
Very interesting indeed. I half expected it to be a partisan result, but thatās far from the case.
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It almost certainly not been debated properly given the complexities involved.
Highlights the flaws of parliament and PMBs
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Really appalling. Not the end of the matter by any means. For a lot of people this will have come out of nowhere. There will be pushback and Labour donāt have a spine. Hopefully a repeal can be bullied out of them or the Tories will come out against it.
Would 100% vote for a Tory manifesto that stood for getting rid of this abomination.
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Reform and Tories voted for it a bit. Elites seem to be salivating at the prospect.of deleting the poor and disabled from existence.
There is no way I will partake in any of that shite.
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I was hoping the religious vote might be a bit stronger on the right against it. But as you say Iām sure the idea that once the workers have ceased to be useful you could just euthanise them has its appeal to that side of the spectrum too.
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I full support bodily autonomy, and peopleās ability to end their life on their terms.
Just not sure that either Labour or Tories can pull it off without horrible results.
The radio have been saying all day its England and Wales only?
The latter part is the key. There will definitely be people who are murdered through pressure or coercion.
Idiots will say you can have āreally robust safeguardsā or something like that. But in a system where a determination can be made that a life isnāt saving, our healthcare system which repeatedly freezes people out of effective care whenever it can, and especially when the patient is a vulnerable person, can never be trusted.
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My reflexive position was to support this when I first heard about it because in principle I support assisted dying.
But after reading some peopleās opinions on here Iāve given it more thought and done a little further reading and in this specific context itās not something I wanted to see introduced.
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A long time ago I wouldāve supported this on a binary argument but life is a bastard and extremely complex and my experiences resulted in me having a change of mind, A significant factor being part Jamaican and seeing itās tradition where elderly family members whom are sick are taken care of by other family members.
My mum whom was an end of life nurse in the UK (Retired) was devoted to her profession beyond it more than just being a job. So devoted she didnāt really get along with most of her colleagues who interest in the job was merely the pay check and didnāt provide good enough care (Itās my Mumās anecdotal stories over 20+ years, take it or leave as you see fit, I donāt mind). So devoted it extended outside her profession she always helped the sick in her family. If they couldnāt afford medication, she would get it, food, equipment, bedding. She felt it was in her conscience to do it.
Just this year when we was in Jamaica, one of her Aunts in her 80ās was sick. We went to visit, the at home nurse hired to look after her to say her quality of care was lousy would be generous. (On advice of my Mum, her husband relieved her of her duties) She was in terrible shape, couldnāt move off the couch/bed, struggled to speak and lost too much weight, emotionally she looked finished. We had to lift her to bed and just as we was about to depart she started crying in fear. Mumās conscience kicked in the next day off she went. She spent about 2 weeks nursing her Aunt back to better health and guiding her husband (Who really wasnāt in greatest health himself, but could get about) how to appropriately take care of her. In a matter of weeks her condition improved greatly, she was still sick. But could move independently, speak and most importantly was much happier.
What does that have to do with this bill?
I think the principles are all wrong.
A country that hasnāt done itās best to take care of those vulnerable canāt be authorising the ability to let the same people die. Especially when poor care can be an influencing factor into the wellbeing of someone vulnerable. It goes back to my previous post āexhaust all optionsā is just something I havenāt personally seen. This is massive faith of trust which the UK in my opinion hasnāt shown itās deserving of yet.
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Maybe the government should just subsidise patients to go to Dignitas, rather than doing it themselves.
Thatās something I could get on board with.
Outstanding post.
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