Something to think about.
Erdogan has been acting a prick lately, and I’m glad he took that L in Istanbul and Ankara.
But he is not all bad and the opposition not all good.
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Erdoğan is an old scared man occasionally ultraconservative and occasionally a galactic omegacunt. And yes so are probably some of the opposition.
Worth noting is that Turkey didn’t take in a few thousand or a few tens of thousand Syrian refugees during the Syrian civil war like most European nations, they’ve taken over 3 million refugees, more than half of the total migrants that left the country and they’re a partly underdeveloped country with a very strained economy, it is the amount that causes a lot of the political stress I think.
Pricing based on skin color.
These guys don’t understand that they ended up discriminating to provide equity.
I understand that they wanted to make money as well as accommodate economic comfort of black community but come on.
The Metro-Times reports that AfroFuture declined to give them a comment, but the concert officials took to their Eventbrite page to explain why they decided to switch up their price points for festivalgoers.
Equality means treating everyone the same
Equity is insuring everyone has what they need to be successful
Our ticket structure was built to insure that the most marginalized communities (people of color) are provided with an equitable chance at enjoying events in their own community (Black Detroit).
Affording joy and pleasure is unfortunately still a privilege in our society for POC and we believe everyone should have access to receiving such.
We’ve seen too many times orgasmic events happening in Detroit and other POC populated cities and what consistently happens is people outside of the community benefiting most from affordable ticket prices because of their proximity to wealth.
This cycle disproportionately displaces Black and brown people from enjoying entertainment in their own communities.
As an Afrofuturist youth lead initiative the voices of our youth inform our resistance.
Here’s what they have to say
“If you don’t see my Blackness, you don’t see me. Periodt!”
Might as well call it Positive Segregation
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I’m intrigued, if the capacity is 10000, is that 5000 POC and 5000 NonPOC? What if 10000 POC want to go? Do they sell 100% of their tickets discounted? In that case why not just make them all affordable?
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Because they’re trying to make a point and don’t want white people there haha
Don’t have a problem with that tbh
So Jeffrey Epstein eh? Going to be interesting to see if this finally leads to something big. And will it be worse for Clinton or Trump or both.
Looks as exciting as playing takedown burnout3
Haha racist policies to combat racism 
, what a world.
I mean god forbid if you are poor and white 
, oh let’s not forget it’s actually racist to assume all blacks are poor and need equity and handouts.
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I think that people’s backs are probably up mostly because it is specifically about race, and I do totally get that.
But I absolutely understand the point and the motivation behind the rule. If they’d just left colour out of it, it’d be an easier pill for people to swallow.
Imagine that I started a festival or concert and said “too often there are events in this community that local people are not able to attend because they are priced out by wealthier people from elsewhere, and we think it is unfair that people from this community are unable to attend events on the doorstep, because they sure as hell lack the resources to travel abroad or to the other end of the country for existing festivals. Therefore we’ve set up a pricing structure and priority system that allows people from the surrounding area to get tickets first and cheaper than people from other areas. They are more than welcome to attend if there are tickets unsold, but first and foremost we want to serve disadvantaged people within our own communities. We’ve created this event for them.”
I don’t think many people would have a problem with this, at all. I also think that my statement and policy would have much the same effect as theirs, but you’d probably avoid controversy. However, they clearly don’t give a shit about upsetting people and are happy to be totally straight forward.
I’m not saying these things are necessarily directly comparable, but it kind of puts me in mind of the issue of diversity in Hollywood. For years the response to the lack of diversity in Hollywood casting was something along the lines of, “you guys need to be out there making your own films, making your own casting decisions etc, rather than demanding others make these changes on your behalf.” Jordan Peele is out there making great films and just generally being massively successful, and he gets asked if he’d cast a white guy as the lead in one of his films, and he basically says, “nah, I’ve seen that film before man” and now it’s no longer about people of colour making their own films and making their own casting decisions, it’s “oMg daS rACiSt” because a director wants to continue giving opportunities to those who so often struggle for opportunities and representation.
The similarity I find is that sometimes people of colour seemingly can’t win. If these concert organisers complained that black people didn’t have the same access to entertainment events the narrative would be “pull yourself up by your own bootstraps, don’t complain about life being unfair, do something productive and create your own events”, then when they do they find that the people they created it for still don’t have the access to it that was intended, because richer white people are taking up that space now too.
As I said, I personally would have approached this pricing structure differently, focusing on economic and geographical status over skin colour, but I have some sympathy with what they’ve done.
But really, a white person from an economically deprived background probably has as much access to events like this as an economically disadvantaged person of colour. This is my one problem with identity politics… That people too often focus too heavily on the wrong type of identity!! We absolutely need to look at issues of race, but so often I feel like people need to focus on economic status far more than they do. Of course the point of intersectionality is to look at various types of oppression, so there’s room to still talk about race too and we shouldn’t ignore it. But the problem, in my opinion, is that so often economic status is neglected. So in schools in the UK, working class white boys are some of the lowest achievers of any group. The most important thing in my opinion is the economic status, a poor white kid and a poor black kid have more in common with each other than the poor white kid does with a rich white kid. As something of a socialist, I think the most subjugated people are the poor, if we look to address that then we’ll be making the best possible start to combating general inequality, which includes racism and other forms of discrimination. Combating economic inequality is in my opinion one of the best ways to begin addressing racial disparities. I feel like these days the economic aspect is severely lacking when we discuss oppression.
Anywaaaaay…
Tbh my biggest issue is the description “orgasmic events”
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Exactly.
Brown people are person of color but Arabs are some of the richest out there. You cannot say all black individuals are poor.
Same issue with reservations based on caste or religion, very often a poor individual loses out because he was not part of a minority group or lost out to someone from same category but since that individual was richer, had better access to resources, scored more.
We need to balance the social prejudice but not for privileges like events or necessities like education. Economic consideration should be the highest factor.
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Remember that Indian actress that said racist stuff about Iwobi? Well, now she’s accusing a guy of raping her… with his EYES.
@Trion wtf bro? 
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To be fair, Indians are bit creepy
If someone looked at me like that, I will cover my man tits lightning fast.
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Trump and all other right wingers, are the ones focused on white identity politics, so it’s a bit rich that accusations of divisive identity politics are usually thrown at the ones experiencing the discrimination. The whites came up with the categories in the first place and going by the obsession with white birthrates, there’s little to suggest that this nonsense is about to end.
The western societies have got to lose their white identities before we can even begin to speak of post-racial societies. Racial segregation, and not just in America, is still a thing and those fortunate enough to grow up in tolerant multiracial neighbourhoods should be aware that they’re exceptions.
Here where I live (rural Sweden), real leftist politics would benefit most, but many now vote for the white nationalist Sweden Democrats. Is this, as some would suggest, due to the left abandoning the working class, thus making whites (or just “swedes” as they’re called) susceptible to populism? No, what made them that, was that they were racist to begin with. Although there has been more of an economic shift towards the right, I still think that there are serious left wing options available for these people to vote for. Many just refuse to see this though; they make distinctions between the “working class” and the “immigrants”, and consider the latter a threat, even if they too are part of the same working class (and often not even immigrants at all). Class has never not been spoken about, but this has not helped.
What is the solutions to this, if not to speak more about race, more about how these “white nations” are no longer such and no matter how much the racist shout about it, never will become all white again. They’re just simply gonna have to adapt and get it through their thick skulls that it’s indeed possible to be non-white, muslim and still be Swedish. We’re not all “immigrants” (and even people not born here should cease to be called “immigrant” after a while). Words like 2nd and worse, 3rd generation immigrants are pathetic and racist.
Once they learn to accept this, then perhaps they’ll consider to vote left again, instead of having twisted delusions that these populist will turn back time and deport god knows how many people. Same thing in America, with the “Again” in MAGA obviously representing a nostalgic desire to return to some mythical great all white time period.
–Keep in mind, that dominant identities, are often invisible, which is why even claiming that the MAGA movement is identity politics, is surely the kind of opinion many will consider to be SJW nonsense.
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I don’t know what prompted you to write this post as it’s bit off topic.
I don’t know about Sweden but I have been trying to understand why there is trend of nationalist politics across the globe.
Part of the reason is kinda the mindset you displayed in the post.
Liberals immediately point to people voting voting for right as racist and completely dismissing that liberals have been avoiding the pains of working class in favour of social issues.
Left is gathering browny points for suggesting measures to combat climate change and carbon emission; yet no measures are being displayed to masses as to how they will mitigate the job losses. No wonder coal workers voted for Trump.
Immigration is a genuine issue. The propensity of immigration into Europe and US is not sustainable and people are genuinely concerned about the toll on the economy to bed these immigrants. But no, it’s automatically racist to not want immigrants.
You create uncertainty of job and income for the masses and the masses will obviously go for the entities who provide the certainty.
You ignore the home population that’s been here for ages and pander to newer ones and obviously the politician who stirs the sense of nationalism and inclusive privilege will prosper.
Why?
Why is it necessary to do this to reduce discrimination?
This is again threatening the white masses and making it difficult for immigrants to gel with them.
Everyone would welcome diversity but it shouldn’t be at the expense of losing your core identity.
Spain & Portugal is fascinating to me because they have such strong cultural identity built on centuries despite strong Moorish underlayer.
Statement like these may means something else but it only brings the threats of the dilution of the culture that the people have grown to love.
Nazare’s folk dances or Lisbon Fado music are already a concern of being fading away and you throw the concern of immigration in people’s mind saying stuff that Western society needs to be less white and obviously the passionate ones will retaliate.
They are not racist. They are proud and concerned.
There are better ways to achieve diversity without losing your identity.
It’s again the same principal - Ask a black or Asian society to be less black or less Asian and it would be deemed racist.
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It’s so true nobody would go to China or any African nation and tell them, you actually need to be less black or less Chinese for the sake of diversity.
Why do European countries need to loss their whiteness ( which wasn’t a problem before 2010).
First a sidenote: racism is a different thing than people being scared of cultural change but that is often what people include in the term racism so that’s just a side thing. The fear of cultural change is then on a grey scale for almost everyone, you won’t see or hear much of it if the rate of change is slow, but whenever it threatens to change fast people get nervous to various degrees, some easily and they will be the first to fall for populism, some less easily, and over how their culture is at stake and the “white identity” you talk about. The left used to mean take care of our less fortunate, now populists (SD) have made it into lets take care of our Swedish…ism. lol
The right wing extremist winds in Europe in the last 10 years is probably due to the financial crisis which put strains on the living standards in combination with the Arab spring and civil wars and the mass emigrations that followed. People who do not normally feel any pressure from the cultural rate of change started to due to poor economy and a large influx of people and populists took the opportunity to yell the loudest.
It’s the same mechanics that kicked off Nazi Germany just a much milder version of it. It’s the same thing every time everywhere else as well. It’s rarely a problem if the economy is doing well and the influx is slower. Suddenly it’s “their fault” the social welfare is going to shits and “we should focus on taking care of ourselves first” and all that mumbo.
It’s what you’d want people to learn about in history class in school so that they wouldn’t fall for this cheap trick but history tends to be taught in the worst way in school and is all about memorizing what year what king banged what queen or whatever instead, at least that’s my experience here in Sweden lol
We’re also historically very receptive of new people so during the Syrian civil war, just like with Chile back in the 80’s, former Yugoslavia in the early 90ss, Iraq, Somalia etc. (you know all about it) we receive a lot of immigrants compared to our population size and we generally did fairly well. I think the difference was that the economy was better and the influx was more manageable in people’s views. The situation in the last 5-10 years is more extreme, so you got more people on that grey scale to react.
And even though I understand and agree with your point about not viewing 2nd gen immigrants as immigrants as a political/cultural argument, I don’t think the connotation is necessarily racist and I am sure that unless used in a political context being called 2nd gen immigrant does not feel racist to me or any 2nd gen immigrants I know. I don’t see it as inherently offensive at all if used in other contexts.
What is funny to hear though is how we have historically been able to do alright integrating influx of several percent of our population over and over, especially under for example Palme, and now with for example the Syrian civil war you hear other countries of similar economic stability and larger populations cry over a few thousand immigrants or w/e. Just imagine Lebanon right now, 6m population and are handling ~2m Syrians with an already strained economy.
They are quite literally a nation of immigrants, probably only Argentina comes close to how much of their nation is based upon the historic immigration(both voluntary and what Ben Carson would call involuntary immigration) they received.
But funnily the US has generally always hated the latest wave of immigrant that arrived there. Irish, Italians, Germans, Eastern Europeans,Japanese and Chinese to more modern Mexican and central American immigration(and they carry a lot of the fault for the shitshow that is central America and historically the Latin Caribbean)
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