Mesut Özil

Nahh. Kroenkeout is clearly a shepherd’s pie boy. You can smell it on him from here. Nothing to do with that lovely yank hamburger.

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ffs lelelel

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‘Redundant’ because of pressing, how did he manage to boss El Classico’s against Barce’s press? I remember when Italian managers considered Roberto Baggio, Bergkamp and Zola redundant players. Remember when Milan considered Pirlo redundant?

He’s an ageing player who doesn’t quite have the legs he had. But he is our technically best midfielder. The best managers would try to get the best out of him and even build around him.

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Wenger, Low and Emery have all had that thrown at them in the last five years at different times.
They are three very different managers in style. The arguments been weak for so long now.

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What argument? Ozil’s only underperformed over a season for Emery and when he shows up this season he makes more chances than any other player

Emery can’t handle big personalities or flair players. HE probably got angry Ozil wouldn’t play as a wingback and whip in crosses

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Yes, but no.

Ozil is a lazy fucker, was so under Wenger too.

Ozil is an embarrassment to his talent, as his mentality is very very poor.

Someone on here gave the example of Capello benching Beckham and Beckham proving him wrong by training hard etc. and made his way back into the starting squad despite him leaving at the end of that Season.

All has got to do with willingness and the mental strength.

For all of Wenger’s talk about mental strength, Ozil was never one of them.

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But this is the crux of the whole argument. Some and I’m one believe he’s under performed on a constant basis. He’s never been a reliable performer. Like everything else it’s opinion but we’ve had very few players who have split people like he does.

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Yes he is lazy, so was Zidane

The Ozil drop off under Emery reminds me of the RVP/Rooney drop off when Moyes took over. They knew he didn’t know what the fuck he was doing.

Never been a consistent performer? 15/16 19 assists, 4.2 key passes per game, should of had more assists if not for wasteful forwards. He’s always generally had . You can scapegoat him from our losses but in truth the team would lose those matches whether he started or not.

And as for consistency, far more consistent under an attacking manager who played him in his actual position and didn’t tell him to focus on tracking back as being the key part of his game.

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See this again on the fucking stats. That season was a fucking fail no matter how you dress it up collectively and individually and managerially.
Really that good a player would not and this club could not hold onto a player if he was that prolific.

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What exactly are you trying to prove?

He is a lazy dickhead.

And Zidane is twice the footballer than Ozil.

What Top top clubs are standing in line to buy Ozil from Arsenal.

Zero.

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Zidane was better but also inconsistent and he won what 1 league title with Real? Big game player though but he needed a DM to protect him like Makele or Vieira or Petit or Deschamps.

We don’t know who was in for Ozil when his contract was expiring.

I want to understand are people hating ozil because of his contract? It really does come across that way.

Emery is shit he wouldn’t know what to do with a creative player, he clearly prefers grafters in his team; hence hard work in training etc.

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Looked at the game where Lucas was the furthest midfield playing essentially as a fucking 10, to do what exactly?

Although he’s not my favourite player to put it mildly I would rather him in the team taking Pepe place until more effort is put in by Pepe

Pepe hasn’t been good, but I’d try more of Nelson or Martinelli honestly… our future is not Ozil, regardless how we got to this debacle with him.

We need Pepe to come good and it is still too early to give up on him, regardless of the worrying signs so far. We really need to find out what we have with Nelson and I’d happily give minutes to Martinelli to reward his prolific start with us too.

Days are over for Ozil in top football and we can argue endlessly about Gaz and the extension (people are massively revisionist on this story imho - AFC would have been absolutely smashed to bits by the fanbase if we let him go at that time), and Emery and his use of Ozil or lack of ability to motivate him… its all sunk costs at this point. Time to move on.

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I disagree on the revisionist think there was enough of a voice that wanted him gone.
Not saying it was the majority but it was definitely out there.

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Agreed I’m not saying I want him to stay I just think he would at least pass the ball better than Pepe.

The voice was larger and much louder for pillorying the Board for letting another star go… Ozil was still very good at that time, despite some cracks in his game and the overall decline of the AW era.

Also, I think people who were against him staying or ambivalent (which I was a bit), it was more down to the wages… which is kind of ironic b/c all of us were so fed up with the socialist structure under AW and the fact that we never seemed to go the extra mile to sign or keep our star players (Cesc, Henry, RVP, etc.).

Anyway, in retrospect I would have been aggressive in re-signing Ramsey much earlier and either sold Ozil or let him walk free. But on the heels of losing so many big names over what seemed to just be money, the board put themselves in a box on that one.

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