Yes most people on their deathbed may regret spending too much time on the interwebz. Although debate is arguably more meaningful than fapping and facebook.
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There hasnāt been a player that Liverpool have bought that has been out of our price range but what we havenāt done is replace the top quality players that have left with anything remotely close to their level.
Both Klopp and their board have showed a level of ambition, decisiveness and competence, that put both Wenger and our board to shame.
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We canāt spend 300m in 2 seasons, which Liverpool have done. We also canāt realistically spend 75m on a CB or 50m on a GK and 100m on 2 midfielders, when our whole summer budget was 70m. Not all of their spending has paid off but the more mud you throw at the wall, the more will stick.
Wenger often wanted players he couldnāt get. The responsibility for not getting Mata, Suarez, Lemar, Mbappe, Martial, Aubameyang (earlier), Cavani etc over the line is with the board and Dick Law, not Wenger. When Wenger was backed by Dein we got deals over the line. If you donāt back the manager this is the result.
In turn Wenger was at fault for not shifting players earlier because he had a sense of loyalty to them.
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Iām not sure if thatās true but, if it is, then Wenger shouldnāt have lied to the supporters about being able to compete with any club for the best players.
He also shouldnāt have wasted so much money on so many mediocre players for the same position, when the same money could have been spent on just a single top quality one.
I agree.
It is also the reason why so many of our best players left because they could see the weaknesses in our team and yet the under performing players kept getting picked.
This is what cost him his job.
Haha you even got someone whoās been reading this forum for years to finally register and make his first post here. Well done. (Iām not a native English speaker so pardon my writing anyway).
Me, I am originally a Rosicky fan, so I support whichever teams he played for and generally like the things associated with those teams, including Klopp. Needless to say it was a shit feeling when I knew he would come to Liverpool instead of Arsenal, but I still like him though.
Re the āKlopp is WC or notā debate. I always feel annoyed when people bring up stuff like āhe has spent 500 million and won nothingā to undermine his achievements. Net spend aside, itās not like he spent all that money in the winter transfer window of 2016 and had multiple failed attempts at trophies.
- First half-season, he took Rodgersā average squad to 2 finals without spending a penny. Lost one only on penalty as well.
- The two following seasons, his major signings (pre VVD) were only Mane, Wijnaldum, Salah and Ox for only 30-40M each. Thatās very modest spending, just barely higher than the likes of Everton. Took them to consecutive top 4 finishes while playing breathtaking football (mind you, top 4 in the big 6 era is much harder than the top 4 when there was only a big 4).
- Then with VVD he got to the CL final, up against a historic Madrid team, and who knows what would have happened had Salah not gotten injured that night and Karius not fucked up massively, twice!
- The following summer, yes he spent like 180 million to address the final holes in his squad and give it a go. But again, he has to face a collosus task in beating the best team in PL history (despite that, Liverpool are still now up there level on points with City with a game in hand).
If anything, Klopp has been actually very unlucky in terms of trophy, because despite making Liverpool punching over their weight for a long time, he kept facing some unprecedentedly strong opponents in the end. Any other season before 17/18, Liverpool would have been the runaway leaders by now. If people want to throw the āno trophies with that spendingā argument at him, do it at the end of this season because he only actually spent money from the winter of 2018.
But even so, I still find that argument very lazy and short-sighted.
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Absolutely brilliant first post, I really do hope you stay around and continue to post 
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- Looks at profile and sees Rosicky is their favourite player
:giroud3: This member is already awesome. Welcome to OA!
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The person behind the transfers and scouting deserves more credit honestlyā¦ and some of it is sheer luck franklyā¦ hitting jackpot with Suarez and selling Coutinho at absolute kingās ransom and at BY FAR peak value were massive, massive for themā¦ then hitting gold with Sane and Salah and Firminoā¦ VVD was value and smart tactical, but expensive so canāt really say that was gigantic coup.
Haha thanks. These days Iām still watching the āRosicky vs.ā videos on youtube regularly for enjoyment. Have to say the more knowledge I have about football, the more I realize how under-appreciated he was back then. Advances play so much vertically while being aesthetically pleasant.
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These are excuses. I can write like 10 paragraphs of why Wenger is underrated and make excuses especially injury wise about why we never won the league in his final 10+ years too, oh and tons of excuses about why we never won the CL especially being robbed by cheat refs against Barca. But he did still win silverware, more than I can say about that bottler Klopp. Anyways welcome to OA officially. Iām sure im ur favorite poster šš 
I really wish youād joined OA much sooner now 
So good to have another Rozza fan on here now. Youāve summed up perfectly why heās my favourite Arsenal player since our move to the Emirates. I miss his play and style so much. We just donāt really have anyone at the club who is that direct with our passes anymore and our play suffers horribly these days.
Anyways, Iāll point you to this thread, if you want to continue further on the Little Mozart 
BTW, donāt get suckered into @BigWeng_4LYFE games. He likes to troll. You could say heās a bit of a disaster 
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Yeah itās true that the Liverpool board and his backroom staff are largely responsible for their success in transfers, but Klopp also plays a part himself. For example Coutinho wouldnāt have gone for that money had Klopp not propelled him to that level first.
Re Salah Mane Firmino one could say they hit gold, but would they play that brilliantly under a different manager? Or is this Klopp system that makes them play better than the players they actually are? For evidence, look no further than the number of flops from Dortmund that previously played like world beaters under him. Liverpool can sell that front 3 now for a combined 250M and easily buy some quality replacements. Then some people would probably say that Kloppās buying success when in fact heās rather building it.
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Thatās the thing, I canāt understand why people are oblivious to the job heās done building this squad and fitting these players together. I think itās clear that heās the reason behind their progression to this level. Obviously Mane was a very good player at Southampton but nothing like what he is now, same with Firmino at Hoffenheim, and Salah has found a new level completely to anything he ever showed before he reached Liverpool.
I think Liverpoolās recruitment over the past few years has been incredibly smart because unlike the period where they splashed stupid sums on players like Andy Carroll and Charlie Adam with no strategy at all, heās bought these players specifically because he could fit them to his style and itās worked absolute wonders.
Not to always go back to Wenger, but for YEARS he bought players because he liked them individually, and didnāt think about how they fit together at all. Klopp clearly has his philosophy and this front three, along with others were handpicked because he knew they could bring his vision to fruition.
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Yeah itās both. Klopp also deserves plenty of credit too.
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Liverpool fans. The gift that keeps on giving. What a bell end!
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I must confess in my early days I thought they actually counted double, I learnt pretty quick in 99/2000 when Valencia beat Lazio 5-2 1st leg & Lazio won the return leg 1-0 and it didnāt go to ET 
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Haha. Did you call into a radio phone in though? 
Always makes me laugh when really thick people call in. Thatās why iām a big fan of 606. Some of the calls they have are hilarious. How can people be fans of something for many years but still be so clueless on the subject?!
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Some people are surely on the wind up when they call in?
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I think their set ups tbh.