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What ever happened to ready and willing union busting scabs!? :joy:

"The unanimous decision of this court is that the terms woman and sex in the Equality Act 2010 refer to a biological woman and biological sex.

But we counsel against reading this judgement as a triumph of one or more groups in our society at the expense of another, it is not."

Lord Hodge, Supreme Court

Not really worth it for the SC to to open a can of worms to even hint otherwise. The originalist position is the only position.

I think in 70 or 80 years time the opposite position will be accepted

Yeah all of the rhetoric against trans people is the same rhetoric used against gay people 30-50 years ago.

We’ll look back on this the same way we look back on how we treated homosexuality.

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Common sense wins. :clap::clap:

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As someone who experienced that rhetoric, I just don’t think it’s the same at all.

It was a general disgust that fed all the anti-gay rhetoric. People were simply repulsed by the idea of two people of the same sex sleeping together. And that doesn’t even touch the religious element to that rhetoric.

But for this issue, I don’t think it’s that. Now I’m absolutely sure that some people are repulsed because I think we can both agree that there are some fucked up people in this world. But I think the majority who are ‘anti-trans’ simply believe that claims are being made that defy human biology.

In particular I think it’s the children angle that is the root of all of it. If it were only adults transitioning, I don’t think people would give a fuck.

I think its “women spaces” element which proving to be the most contentious and toxic the UK.

I can genuinely see both sides of the argument, but I think it’s fair to question why a biological man should have access to women’s only spaces purely due to self ID or arbitrary transition process.

I think that’s a fair question. But it should also be pointed out that it can be unsafe for that person to go into a men’s room too.

It’s messy either way you look at it.

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I have to strongly disagree with much of what you said but definitely this part. The same fear mongering about children was used against gays as well. Ironic because it’s usually religious institutions with the child abuse scandals.

Trans people are such a small minority group that they’re an easy target for bigotry. They’re such a small and misunderstood demographic that have few allies that would come to their aid when politicians or celebrity dumbasses like Rogan peddle bigoted views of them.

Bigotry against small minority groups like trans people is always a gateway for people to sign up to an entire agenda of hate and exclusion.

I can’t say for sure but it feels like even some gays, who should understand the ways people become marginalized, harbor some of the same ignorance about trans people that can then be weaponized by hate mongers in government and elsewhere.

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If I were born in the last 8-10 years, I guarantee I would be being told I was trans. I am 100% certain of that.

How are they even going to police this lol

So many trans people are basically indistinguishable - especially if they’ve had bottom surgery.

You can’t even write this sort of shit lol

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Imagine you’re a woman who’s been fear mongered to about a false bathroom trans panic. Next thing you know you’ve got male perverts invading your bathroom in the name of investigating whether you’re trans or not.

This trans fear mongering is just a few steps away from women losing their right to an abortion and that’s only a few steps away from getting disappeared to a Salvadorian gulag.

Don’t fall for this shit.

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When I was a small boy and I was out with my dad we’d use the Gents*. If I was out with my mum, she’d make me go with her into the ladies. If I went to use the toilet on my own outside I would use the disabled toilet - that is until I got yelled at by an older lady in a wheelchair. :grimacing:

Why did I share this? I am not sure.

*(I am, as y’all know, an absolute gentlemen.)

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I wouldn’t feel bad about this. The only disabled people who’ve ever had a problem with my daughter accessing disabled facilities were elderly. They seemed to think they were the only ones entitled to provision.

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Hmm I don’t know, I find a lot of objection (Some of it fair, some of it unfair) far extends beyond that. Women’s Sports, Pronouns, the concept that it’s being ‘shoved down our throats’ just to name a few. These typically usually only involve adults and there’s still quite some resistance.

The children part might be the most objectionable element but even without that I think this ‘cultural battle’ for lack of a better term still exists.

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I think I agree with most of this.

The culture war stuff that’s surrounded online discourse on trans issues has been a major contributor to the pushback against trans rights in recent years.

There’s a proper discussion to be had but it gets drowned out so quickly by polarised online views.

I’ve never heard either side’s main concerns satisfactorily addressed - for example safe access to women’s only spaces on the one hand or clarity on how trans people will be protected from discrimination without being recognised as a member of their identified gender.

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As someone who is trans and transitioned some 15 years ago now it is concerning to see the current change in tolerance/attitudes etc. in recent years.

It really does feel like the country (and honestly, the world) is going backwards at a rapid pace and hate and bigotry is on the rise. It’s sad to see really, and I won’t lie that it does feel scary at times.

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The backlash these celebrity “astronauts” are getting is fully deserved.

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