Lots was utter bollocks yes, but there was also a thread running through it which in my view was strong enough to warrant a proper investigation. Though the whole thing is largely unfalsifiable, I’ve not seen a single piece, in the mainstream or otherwise, attempting to go through the claims one by one and offering a sensible rebuttal. No serious debunking has ever been provided. What did happen though is a massive purge of the crowdsourced investigation, and a huge censorship drive to keep it off the web - so to refer back to our previous chat on censorship I should probably adjust my position on that and acknowledge that your view is probably the best one. Does this answer satisfy, or did you want specifics about what I found interesting?
Thing with Thatcher is she was a very divisive person and hurt incalcuable pain on sections of thecountry. When that said woman is given a state funeral and eulogies coming left right and centre on her mediaq platforms people effected get annoyed and respond accordingly.
Balanced reporting and you get a better reaction.
The moment any person of power and influence dies they are instantly converted into a saint. Nixon was turned into a saint. I bet if Corbyn died tomorrow, the MSM would be canonising him immediately. The hypocrisy of Obama giving McCain a eulogy at his funeral is perfect evidence of this; what could he possibly have to say that is positive about him which isn’t, in his heart, an outright lie?
Nah, Corbyn would get battered imo.
Check how the MSM treated Castro and Chavez.
Interesting contrast to what Trump tweeted. No BS, didn’t like him not going to pretend if he did
Obama’s highly polished image really bothered me, seems very phoney
Well quite. The fact that Trump is an orange idiot doesn’t matter; to many in the U.S he will at least appear honest and separate from the hypocrisy.
@Electrifying, no I think they’d gush over Corbyn because he’s a British politician. Enemy while alive, but a member of the club when dead.
Hmm I guess we will eventually find out. Maybe you’re right
No way Corbyn would get a positive send off. It would be totally to big of a gamble for the medias vested interests to nurture something positive in dead socialist.
It would risk a possible mood swing in the country and there is no way theyd promote that imo.
Savage a.f.
What thread…? I would like to know.
I’d love to know what as this was the most wanky conspiracy story I can remember in my lifetime…
OK I’ll provide a quick run down.
- The wikileaked Podesta emails were claimed to contain code words for paedophilia. In order to establish this the crowdsourced investigators began looking at the individuals linked to the purported code words.
- That led them to James Alefantis, the owner of Comet Ping Pong. This is a child friendly pizza parlour that provides punk music in the evening, and is the venue for frequent Democratic fundraising events (sometimes attended by Clinton and Obama). They found lots of photos on his Instagram that were highly suggestive of paedophilia, including comments in the comments section that suggest the same.
- They were able to establish that James Alefantis had friendships with convicted paedophiles, and that his wife defended a convicted paedophile in court.
- When viewing the Instagram feeds of those who commented on his photos they found more paedophilic imagery, including from a man who works for - I think - Beyond Borders, Hilary Clintons Haiti charity in a senior position. It also included very dodgy Instagram content from David Brocke, Alefantis’ ex boyfriend and another prominent Democratic donor.
- They then found evidence of a mural in Comet Ping Pong which depicted sexualised figures with decapitated children’s heads. Many of the punk bands who play at the pizza joint have videos and lyrics which are paedophilic, and one band was filmed performing in Comet Ping Pong where the lead singer jokes about paedophilia happening in Comet Ping Pong. The agent responsible for booking the bands also had dodgy shit on her social media feeds.
- Another Podesta email has a lady called Maria something or other saying that 3 children will be Ubered to a farm (she supplies ages - 7, 10, and 11 I think) and that they will be in the pool for his entertainment. This lady is a Democratic big shot and multimillionaire. Weirdly they found that she had a cheapo wordpress website in which she appears to be selling her 3 granddaughters for online sex. Personally I can think of no other way of interpreting her ridiculously creepy website. It’s a baffling, horrid website that demands explaining.
- There is another email where Podesta discusses meeting up with an old friend, also a convicted paedophile. He also reminisces about how he should have hidden in Japan.
- Another email includes an invitation to Podesta’s brother, and forwarded to Podesta, inviting him to a spirit cooking dinner written by Maria Abramovich, the famous occultist performance artist. Spirit cooking is blood magic. Obviously this isn’t proof of anything except to highlight the oddity of his friendships. There is a photo in circulation of her and Lady Gaga eating a cake that looks like a very real-life human and they are eating the flesh. This is considered relevant by the crowdsourced investigation because when they looked at Podesta’s art collection they found renderings of cannibalism and child abuse hanging on his walls, including his bedroom.
- Another interesting feature is that there is a multitude of businesses on the same block as Comet Ping Pong, all owned by James Alefantis or having links to him. I’m not particularly convinced by this but there is definitely some similarity between all of their logos and FBI established paedophile symbols. I mention this only because Hilary Clintons charity which deals in helping children in Haiti is located in the middle of these businesses.
- This leads to a lady called Lisa Silsby who on behalf of the charity was a missionary in Haiti seeking to establish an orphanage. She was arrested for trying to kidnap 33 children out of the country. At her trial she was represented by a lawyer who himself is a convicted child-sex trafficker and he is wanted in 4 countries on similar charges. His wife is in prison for the same charges. The Hilary Clinton emails confirm that she was regularly updated about this lady before and during the trial. Bill Clinton as ambassador to Haiti or some role similar helped to get Silsby’s co-conspirators off and got Silsby a reduced sentence. This lady is now on the board of directors at a firm whose job it is to prevent child trafficking in the U.S. This is all well documented.
- They next, quite rightly, tie it in via the Clintons, to the Jeffrey Epstein stuff, which is hardly disputable. The guy was running a underage prostitution racket for the elite, especially centring around his democratic and liberal friends.
- There is other stuff which I have left out either because I’m not familiar enough with it, or because its baseless horseshit. The biggest flaw in the theory is a lack of witnesses or victims (i.e. none), and that without a proper official investigation it’s unfalsifiable. But I think there is enough concern to warrant a proper look. None of the first ten points made have ever been debunked or properly discussed by the media. To the best of my knowledge only two reporters have taken it seriously, one withdrew from the media entirely shortly after, the other died. One final point of interest is that the term ‘fake news’ came into existence just prior to the story breaking into the mainstream, prior to the Orange idiot making it all his own.
Dictator and cleptocrat were a fair representation of both respectively.
Absolutely. Just a shame we can’t be as fair to western politicians (and Saudi kings, who for some reason are heralded as modernists and reformers every time they die)
Shame. Thought you would come back with this tired old non story but anyway…
Please provide the following for each point:
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The name of all the individuals involved in the crowdfunding and descriptions showing they are investigating this with an independent frame of mind and not any agenda and how the codewords suggested paedophilia.
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The reasons the codewords in the emails led them to the establishment and the owner
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Photographs mentioned and how they and the comments are suggestive of paedophilia with a reasonable explanation backed up by example from a qualified expert as would be done in any legal process.
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Again who is “they” (as asked above) and how they established this link by evidence and example and who the people are and the crimes they have committed.
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Provide a copy of the mural for us to see and reasons why it is depicting sexualised figures and decapitating heads, a copy of all the lyrics from those bands and explanations as to why they are paedophilic and also a copy of the video of the lead singer you mentioned and also the “dodgy shit” from the agent and its paedophilic content.
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Details of Maria something or the other ie surname. position, relation to Podesta, a copy of the email found and its wording and the website mentioned as well as proof it is indeed her website with IP details and proof.
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Details of the email in full, the persons name and the conviction they had.
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Full email and why this reported cannibalism, cake shapes and lady gaga is relevant to the establishment mentioned above. Also copies of the paintings, sources confirming ownership and location - and proof of the aforementioned paedophilic nature of the art.
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Details of the logos mentioned and the FBI symbols and an explanation of why they are similar and the relevance.
The rest of the stuff here is just a re-hash of the crazy stuff on The Donald - a Trump loving right wing nut publication which can be found here…
which I have little time for but here;
and here
is some reading for those will a little more balance.
As for Trumps pal Epstein…
he is a an cunt but of little relevance to the democrats and pizzagate.
Until you can provide some detail and clarity to your claims it remains in your words “baseless horseshit” and the your demands for it to be debunked or it must be true… fall very, very flat.
Relative movement. When one is so backward and slow to change, even the slightest improvement seems massive.
“Women driving cars? This dude is like a Martin Luther Mandela.”
Blimey. You’re asking for a lot of information. I don’t have it archived on my computer so I will have to look for it and then post it here - hope you’ll take me in good faith that I will attempt to do that when I have the time to do it, until then let me respond the best I can:
Well this is an impossible request. The crowdsourced investigation has to a large extent been deleted by Reddit, and all of the posters posted under pseudonyms, so I can not prove anything re their personal biases / political affiliations. From my own viewpoint I would say most of them are alt right, Trump supporters I would imagine. There are still some archived threads on Voat which I will supply for you next time, and you should at least see an attempt to be independent and thorough. As for the codewords I assume they noticed a high usage of certain terms, i.e. pizza, in unusual contexts and then that was mapped against FBI declassified code words for paedophilia. I’ve not heard anyone accuse this FBI info as fake.
Well naturally they looked into the people who sent emails using terms such as pizza. Perhaps rather understandably that led them to a pizza shop owner, who they then explored.
Again, I don’t have time right now to find, copy, paste and comment on every single photo. I will aim to do that for you as promised, but in the meantime you could easily type his name and Instagram into google and look a them all yourself. What kind of qualified expert are you expecting? Are you saying you want me to find an example of what constitutes paedophilic photography and then make a comparison to the Instagram feeds?
Again who is “they” (as asked above) and how they established this link by evidence and example and who the people are and the crimes they have committed.
Already answered the first part. Second part I’ll need to come back to you. Not trying to side-step just I legitimately need to find this stuff.
They strike me as sexual in tone, and there are clearly heads without bodies. Not sure it’s particularly suitable for a children’s play area. I’ll dig out the artist for you next time too.
The most prominent of the bands is called Majestic Ape. I’ll try and find you the video of their performance in Comet so you can judge the comments for yourself next time. Cant remember the name of the agent will need to seek that out.
My error, the name isn’t Maria, it’s Tamara Luzzatto. Here is the section of the email in question:
I am popping
up again to share our excitement about the Reprise of Our Gang’s visit to
the farm in Lovettsville. And I thought I’d share a couple more notes:
We plan to heat the pool, so a swim is a possibility. Bonnie will be
Uber Service to transport Ruby, Emerson, and Maeve Luzzatto (11, 9, and
almost 7) so you’ll have some further entertainment, and they will be in
that pool for sure
Wikileaks link: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/46736
NY Times article about her: https://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/23/style/weddings-tamera-luzzatto-david-leiter.html
Link to website: http://archive.is/JGhR6 - If you want me to prove this blog isn’t a fake, I can’t. You can’t even access it anymore without an invite. Is it fake? Could be. No one has to my knowledge every said so or proved it so and I don’t recall any media outlet every even commenting on it. IP address - no idea how even find that. Let me know if you think it looks suspicious / fake.
Next time. Finding the stuff above just took me ages.
I’ll supply email next time but this one is easy to find, just type spirit cooking / WikiLeaks into google. I didn’t say the cake proved anything, all I said about that was that it shed light on the type of people he is friends with. His art can be seen in pictures of him in newspapers, he’s quite prominent in the art scene so their are numerous pieces on him and his collections, and also his brothers. I’ll dig out some links next time.
Well I did say this was the weakest bit. Again I’ll dig it out for you soon, and you can compare yourself. I’ll also do what I can to prove connections between these businesses.
Read your newspaper reports on Silsby, and though they sound very honest and balanced, they fail to come to terms with the fact that she was actually convicted of kidnapping, nor do they mention her lawyer who is a convicted child trafficker - wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Life_Children's_Refuge_case
She might be totally innocent; but a women convicted of kidnapping children represented by a man convicted of kidnapping for me at least means it’s not easy to debunk.
By the way not sure I even mentioned Trump; I cited the Epstein stuff as casting genuine doubts on the Clintons. They did fly his Lolita Express a lot of fucking times.
Meh. He’s also jailing women activists to a greater extent than before and incited a diplomatic incident with Canada for his right to do so.
Ok I shall keep my eyes peeled and then I can comment on the points 1,2,3 etc etc…
Just to let people know, I’ve offered @jonboylondon to continue the conversation about this in private, or pubic is fine providing he doesn’t expect me to post people’s private Instagram photos, which include children. I’m happy to debate them, discuss them etc. but given that there’s a high probability the Pizzagate theory is false, I don’t feel it’s appropriate to share peoples photos who I don’t know. Like I say, taking about it all, sharing links to websites and leaked emails etc. no problem at all, but not snatched images of peoples personal stuff.
I suppose it hinges on whether their Instagram accounts are public or not. If so, then they put it out there and I see no moral dilemma about posting it here without their consent. If their accounts are private and their pictures have been screenshot then you’re doing the decent thing, and fair play to you. But then again, if you’re basically contesting that they’re involved in noncery, I’m not sure they deserve to have their privacy respected, especially when posting the images on here is totally inconsequential.
FWIW I’d like to see you two carry on publicly, I’m finding it interesting.