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The bottom line is, left parties should start blaming themselves for these losses. Instead of everyone else.

It’s not a good look on them. And unless you’re neck deep inside the tribalism of these parties, people simply won’t vote for you anymore.

Most of my family always voted traditionally left, my dad even for the socialist party which at the time was seen as almost a communist party.

Meanwhile things have changed and they all vote differently now. We have many parties here who need to form a coalition. So there is many to choose from.

I used to be much more left in my student days. After disillusion over and over again, I now vote different as well (Green Party), but I can’t say any of the parties truly represent me.

And I detest leftist elitist arrogance and their diminishment of ordinary people with real concerns.

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In Italy I think this alliance now must operate in completely hostile environment…war in Europe…sanctions
even more migration

Since they invented this kind of politics 2000 years ago…dont think it’s an accident

The ongoing crisis is such it hardly can be solved on home soil…most natural thing is the serious politicians there just to step back

The next election can’t be far

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No we did not, you really have to stop trusting what you read in the media and be more critical in your thinking. But I will explain it for you.

Two right party’s formed a coalition with a liberal centrist party and a far right party, so that they can be in a majority in Riksdagen.
The opposition will now consist of two left party’s, a liberal centrist party and a far left party.

Overall there are 8 party’s in Riksdagen now and here is how many % of the votes and how many mandates they received. I’ve translated the names of the party’s to English.

Right block.
The Swedish Democrats: 20.5% - 73 mandates.
The Christian Democrats: 5.3% - 19 mandates.
The Moderates: 19.1%. - 68 mandates.
The Liberals: 4.6% - 16 mandates.
Total of 176 mandates.

Left block.
The Centre: 6.7% - 24 mandates.
The Social Democrats: 30.3% - 107 mandates.
The Green party: 5.1% - 18 mandates.
The Left Party: 6.8% - 24 mandates.
Total of 173 mandates.

The Right side (if that can be said in comparison to other countries definitions) will now have a majority of just a few more votes in Riksdagen. If one member or more is absent (which is often the case), one disagrees with the party line or is undecided, then votes can swing which makes the situation highly unpredictable.

Since the 70’s we have altered between a left or right ruling government every 1-2 elections, so it’s really not a big thing.
The Moderates (M) used to be the biggest right block party and form their government being backed by the Christian Democrats (KD), the Liberals (L) and the Centre (C).

In the last 10-15 years the Swedish Democrats (SD) have gained traction. They are a far right party with roots in Nazism. Some of their now leading members joined when they still identified as Nazis. But they have ‘cleaned up their act’ now and regularly ban members who portray these views (with the exception of the top members of course). So they are your regular racist and populist party, and the majority voting for them are probably doing so in protest.

But here’s the difference today! SD became bigger then M in this election and are now the second biggest party after the Social Democrats (S)! Which is very worrying to say the least.

M, L, and C have said numerous times in the past that they will never cooperate with SD, because they are a racist and populist party. Last election C switched sides, just to deny SD influence. This election M, L and KD are so power hungry that they openly accepted to form a government backed by SD. Obviously the leader of M will become Prime-minister, but they didn’t expect to get less votes then SD! So it remains to be seen how much pressure SD puts on M to back them and what they want in exchange.

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It’s all about the SD becoming the 2nd biggest party. That’s a turn into a hard right direction.

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It depends if they get any influence, which is yet to be seen. They were the 3rd biggest party last time. The situation hasn’t changed other then the fact the right block have majority in Riksdagen this time around.

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It’s true the PR system allows extreme political ideals closer or even to executive power.

It’s very susceptible to 2-3 year trends in extreme thinking

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Ridiculous policy if true, could almost understand something around same sex marriage legality if you’re a traditionalist but what, you’re gonna take adopted kids out of their homes?

Or just allow them to live with a (technical) stranger while the legal guardian is reverted back to the one who gave them up?

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How much of that is actually happening and how much of that “degradation of the base” is shaped by extremely online writers, bloggers and etc. picking up on things that most people really do not give a shit about.

In the USA, for example, there is without question a major news network devoted to promulgating right wing talking points. There’s the conservative Sinclair corporation that pumps out fear mongering stories to local news affiliates across the country. We got some story about crime in San Francisco on the local news in Maryland over the summer. That’s not by accident.

And at least in the USA the people with the most contempt for their own base, in my opinion, is the right! Right leaning politicians in the USA peddling in populist, xenophobic and racist tropes to whip up a base, enact massive tax cuts to benefit themselves and their cohorts, vote to cripple any social welfare programs which leads to further economic and social devastation. And yet, every night on Fox News millions of boomers inject that nonsense into their veins.

Of course the problem we have here is that our two political parties were, up until very recently, extremely similar.

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This is definitely very true.

They usually blame the media in decaying formats like print and TV

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This post is not too long, I did read it. Yeah this is it… especially funny how our supposed “Liberal” party chill with right wing extremists as soon as there’s a bit of power up for grabs, how the f does that work, how much mental gymnastics must they do every day at work lol

I was never a tremendous fan of the Centre party and their econ. politics (lately anyway) which was right leaning prior, but massive respect to them for taking a stand and publicly and openly directly refusing to have anything to do with the SD clowns and rather hang with the lefties under the circumstances.

Bur still embarrassed on a national level over this, even if the election was close and many things remain to be seen, it shouldn’t even be close whichever way you look at it :santi:

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I totally agree what you say about Centern. I don’t care much for them in regards to their politics as of late, but it took some big balls to split up the right block. The Liberals should be ashamed for not following that path and I believe they would get more out of their politics together with C, MP and S.

But what pisses me off the most is how divided our Swedish politics have become. There are 8 party’s, but it’s still a vote for either left or right, giving Nazis potential influence or not.

Similar to what @Joshua said goes on in the States, SD have spent a lot of time and great effort in spreading their angled agenda (and being seen) on social media. This is where the younger voters get their news, not from the typical media and newspapers with their locked articles. So I’m not surprised they attracted the majority of younger voters. Åkesson and SD is a familiar face to them.

Also, voting SD is a way for ‘the ordinary man’ to protest against the tiresome debacle last time around. When electing a new prime-minister took 3 months of fuss. Plus the fact that in the last years a left/centre government had to rule under a budget set by the right. Of course that results in not a lot being decided. And another reason is people don’t invest the time that is needed to understand politics and what they’re really voting for.

I hope after these 4 years that those who voted SD gets to see what they really are.

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Maybe they will, maybe they won’t. Because people don’t take the time to learn about politics. The average person defines politics when it directly affects them, don’t they?

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Fuck the news today. Headphones on with favourite tunes on shuffle, playing FM2022 and just beat Man Utd 1- 0 at Old Trafford with 9 men. Jesus scored a delightful chip from the edge of the area.

I’m stupidly happy at the moment.

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So the BOE had had to step in from stopping a full blown financial crisis due to a mini budget.

Useless cunts in charge.

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GBP had more or less stabilised after the initial shock, BoE came in and made their announcement and GBP fell further, great job they did of stabilising…

Media also doing a fantastic job of making things worse. Interview as many people on benefits crying about not being able to afford treats. Anyone prepared to be particularly scathing with any sort of qualification gets their 2 minutes of fame repeated once every half hour. Reminds me of Covid, if you keep telling people how bad it is going to get, it will eventually get that bad in sentiment and the rest will follow.

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Yeah what do experts know

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Not much if we look back at Covid as an example :grin:

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I agree.
This is particularly bad with the BBC, whenever there is a prominent news story they go out and interview people on the street and ask them what their opinion is.

Why would you ask a completely unqualified person their opinion on what to do on a subj=ect they probably know little about?

Don’t send out a news reporter to a shopping centre, to ask a local delivery driver or old lady walking her dog, about the pound falling against the dollar, just ask an expert, that’s what they’re for.

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