They did not but in a way stated that there is nothing wrong with it not being predominately white Despite it being a white country. Again a concept the would not fly in any other none white western country
Your point? Yes some none white countries are not as tolerable against foreigners, hence why people leave to seek a better future for themselves. What is the solution? We should adapt the same kind of thought? What a wonderful and caring world thatāll beā¦
OK, great, just wanted to clear that up. Because thatās a very different thing to people saying that they arenāt fussed whether a country or continent remains predominantly white. They are very different statements, and Trionās struck me as being a strawman, setting up a position to argue against or refute when nobody is actually saying that in the first place.
I know a load of non white British people who consider themselves as such, and share the same core values and belief in institutions that pretty much everyone else does. If their number continued to grow, making a larger percentage of the country non white, then to me that makes absolutely no difference and is not an issue. Because I donāt care about whether other people are white or not, because that doesnāt speak to their values or their character. I think its a shame others disagree and think itās important that ultimately Britain remains for the whites.
You could have huge immigration from Eastern Europe, for example, and know that basically everyone moving to Britain is white. But that does nothing to safeguard our institutions, democracy, values, way of life etc. Yet if we measured the racial demographics, Britain would still very much be white, and some people apparently think thatās a good thing in and of itself.
So thatās partly why I donāt understand the desire to make sure Britain remains white, because I donāt attach a set of values or qualities to being white. Unless you do attach a certain set of qualities, characteristics or beliefs to having white skin, I donāt understand why it would be a concern.
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The people who are against mass migration included those from Eastern European countries hence why I donāt get why people are making white, black and brown thing on here. You not feeling white or not subscribing to Britishness is your thing others feel differently.
Just because you care doesnāt mean you subject people they donāt want people are allowed to want to limit it. None of these people are saying go hard as China or Japan. You guys say these things because you never see the affects it has in these communities it never affects you so fuck those who it does. You are from Sweden how well has the Somali immigrants integrated?
It just seems a bit hypocritical. The UK has had a massive impact on the world culturally; sports (football, cricket, rugby), language, religion, I mean Queen Elizabeth is still the monarch of Canada and Iām sure other countries. The list could go on and on. But god forbid the UK itself would changeā¦
Talk to Dr Strangepass then, heās the one who aired his concerns about Britain no longer being white. Others have reacted to that by engaging in a discussion about why its important to him.
For a start, I didnāt say either of this things, did I? Objectively, I am both white and British, thereās no changing that and Iāve got no problem with being either. And as I said, Iām not the one bringing my hang ups about being British or white to the table, Iām just responding to someone else who made that the topic of discussion.
Its basically impossible to have a discussion with you in good faith, you are either incapable or entirely unwilling to actually digest what people have written and respond to it appropriately. This entire response to me ignores what Iāve actually said and does nothing to advance the conversation.
The reason I brought up Eastern European immigrants is to try to illustrate my point that ensuring whites remain the majority in terms of racial demographics does nothing in and of itself to protect British culture and the way of life. It doesnāt matter if people in this thread also oppose Eastern European immigration, that misses the point Iām making entirely.
[quote=āryaninho, post:5505, topic:187, full:trueā] You guys say these things because you never see the affects it has in these communities it never affects you so fuck those who it does.
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Wait what?
Make me understand how I misinterpreted that? I want to know because I donāt want to derail the conversation
What needs explaining?
I donāt think that being white means someone holds certain values or has certain inherent qualities or characteristics. Therefore I donāt think itās important to ensure that Britain remains white.
I donāt know how to make such a basic statement any easier for you, and I have no idea why youād read that sentence and take from it that I dont feel like Iām British or white.
Mate most of the people who complain families have never left the shores of Britain. To ascribe those things to working class people make no sense because they had no hand in that what so ever. Is It because they are born white British they have the original sins of people they had nothing to do with?
Actually Dr Strangepass has said in his initial post that he is kind of proud on everything the English have accomplished (with acknowledging the bad), āweāve been a marvelā. In this case it does seem fair too mention.
That is what I thought you may not think that but others do like religious folk think differently from none. I also pointed out that itās not about being white
Not the only point I made in the post.
Anything else you disagree or agree with?
I responded to the bit I wanted to respond to, if I wanted to engage with you on the whole post I would have done. Either you want to reply to what Iāve asked or you donāt, no skin off my nose, you arenāt obliged to.
Well thatās great, but Iām responding to (or at least posting because of) someone who has explicitly said that they are concerned about the racial demography of Britain. Thatās the conversation Iām part of right now.
The question isnāt you. There is absolutely no reason to assume that you would be harmful whereas I not, that would be arrogant and stupid. I am not more British than you, likewise that would be arrogant, stupid and even nasty. What Iām addressing is the scale of people coming in, the effect that has, and potential risks associated with that. So my wife for example is Chinese. She will hopefully soon be British and will be as British as I am legally speaking (our kids being born here would be as British as anyone in every sense). But it doesnāt follow that we should therefore engage in a programme of mass immigration with Chinese people. We would have to weigh up why, and how many, and is it a good idea. And this oughtnāt be a slight on my wife and her ethnicity.
I mean think about your street where ever you live. If I told you it is going to be repopulated with people from an unknown overseas location you might reasonably not like that idea very much. There might be hundreds of valid reasons why. It obviously doesnāt mean that every one of those hypothetical people are harmful. It would be reasonable to assume that some of them will be better people than me. Itās not about the individual.
Iāll answer this as a follow on to my above discussion to Rocky. To determine what is lost you would have to speak to the people from areas most affected by it. I know some teaching assistants I work with who are devastated that the East End has changed beyond recognition within 20-30 years. Itās fair to wonder why so many, i.e. almost all, of the people originally from these places have chosen to leave. So itās a question of scale / speed. How many boroughs, cities, towns, even villages change in this way before it becomes reasonable to say itās unfair? Or to ask why? Or to wonder whether alterations like this require consent. We wouldnāt think it odd to question deliberate gentrification projects that force out the poor, or to question the effects of closing the mines on northern communities, or to think twice about big building projects that will reshape a community, but wholesale shifts of people is bigger than all of those things. Of course if someone benefits from it or has no particular attachment to a place (I donāt particularly have an attachment to anywhere) then it wonāt overly matter. But most people arenāt like me. Where they live and grow up is their whole universe.
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Fuck me thatās bad
Not confirmed if this is the train but these are going around twitter. Fuck knows how someone has got pictures this close
Or why. Ghouls.
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