She has survived for the skin of her teeth.
The impression Iām getting is that Corbynās dominant hold over younger and/or first time voters since 2016 is starting to erode fast by his unwillingness to change tack. Heās going against his party members and his voters, why wouldnāt this harm his popularity?
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It may do. But they donāt only care about this stuff, are they going to shift to voting for the Tories or Lib Dems. I donāt see it.
And if JC switches to 2nd Ref, he will lose more than the young, heāll lose the North voters, but in the main the London areas will vote Labour anyway. I mean Christ, most Labour London seats they could lose 10ās of thousands and still it wouldnāt matter. Dianne Abbot for example has a 40K majority.
Getting into power is best bet to avoid a no deal, and I say that as someone who wants a no deal.
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We probably need a general election because we have a minority government that nobody wants to be a minister in and it isnāt working and it certainly isnāt going to work for another 3.5 years.
I think Corbyn could technically win an election, but I canāt see a Labour majority right now. Best case is probably a minority government, but then heās in the same situation she is, except I think Labour backbenchers will be more eager to rebel at the first chance than Tory ones.
Basically I canāt see any good outcome for anything in politics for the next few years. Theresa May is about to take the bullet of fucking up Brexit and Iām not completely sure why Corbyn wants to jump in front of her.
I think the only way you can convince a country to swing to the left (or right) is for the right (or left) to well and truly fuck everything up and I donāt think weāre there yet.
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Andrew Neil is a huge cunt and his continued exposure on the BBC interviewing these chancers posing as some kind of impartial journalist when he is blatantly a brexit supporter is further evidence of the debauchery and corruption at the BBC
Yeah definitely. I think brexit has definitely exposed how second rate the media is. Iāve seen a few Brexiteers on tv and on the radio say things such as āwe trade with the usa and rest of the world on WTOā and presenters such as Neil let us to unchallenged. They themselves simply donāt know enough detail to hold those sort of statements to account, which really questions what value they have in holding elected officials to account.
I did actually use to like Andrew Neil, or at least he was a string interviewer. Safe to say all that has changed now haha.
Also Iāve gotta say how impressed Iāve been with Ian Blackford in the interviews Iāve seen with him today. Probably the most impressive figure in the SNP for me!
Anyone see the Andrew Neil Owen Jones meltdown last week. Never seen Neil rattled like that before. Worth a watch if anyone missed it on This week last thursday.
Heās good, and he speaks a lot of sense, but for me the most impressive MO has been Joanna Cherry. Sheās doing all kinds of crazy shit behind the scenes, and you can tell sheās a top lawyer by the ways sheās shrewdly going about the litigation surrounding brexit with some great cross-legged initiatives.
Future leader material imo.
SNP MPs in general are pretty decent imo :ramsey:
At least theyāre not the morons that the vast majority of Labour and Tory ones are.
If only David Lammy never voted for the Iraq war, heās the kind of leader and MP they need to have all throughout the party.
Bollox. I donāt agree with Corbyn on many issues or think heās competant. But to claim heās hypocritical as other politicians is an absolute joke when you consider heās put his principles in front of his career at every single step.
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That Andrew Neil interview of JRM was actually quite thorough. JRM was challenge on every point effectively and iām sure the transcript would confirm that.
Donāt think JRM came away from that having made convincing arguement for no deal
Thatās the thing, scratch below the surface and even the most ardent advocates of no deal fall apart. JRM tries to justify it on the basis of dropping all tarrifs, which is not only economically stupid but it does nothing to protect the jobs which will be lost.
Ultimately I hope MPs realise Mayās deal is the only viable way out of this mess right now and just swallow their pride.
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To be fair to May, who I couldnāt stand when she was home secretary, is she seems to be doing what she feels is best for the country rather than what is popular with voters and her own MPās, while vultures like Johnson and Rees Mogg just circle above, criticising her every move.
As for Corbyn wanting to jump in front of her, he is a career politician that wants the top job and there arenāt many chances to do it, so he doesnāt care how or when, he will just grab any opportunity.
I agree but this situation isnāt going to go away, and with the country split almost evenly, there doesnāt seem to be any way out of it.
I think the problem with Owen Jones is that it takes him ages to get to the point and someone like Neil who is one of the most experienced political presenters on TV can wind someone like Jones up and make him look like a rambling student.
As much as I agree with most of what he says, and disagree with most of what Neil says, Jones should get to the point quicker.
Saying that, like you said, he certainly had Neil rattled and it would have been interesting to see him squirm a bit more if he had been asked about the Spectator earlier in the interview.
Corbyn fucks me off so much.
āYOU MUST TAKE NO DEAL OF THE TABLEā
Also Corbyn, we wont vote for the deal you put forward and also we will not revoke article 50. IF YOU DONT HAVE A DEAL YOU AGREE WITH AND YOU ALSO WONT REVOKE ARTICLE 50 IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO TAKE NO DEAL OF THE TABLE YOU STUPID CUNT.
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Yes you canāt literally rule out no deal, but she could come out and say that no deal would be totally unacceptable and that they donāt consider it a viable option. Heās talking to the woman who said that āno deal is better than a bad dealā, its perfectly valid for him to call on her to ātake it off the tableā. Youāre taking a very literal interpretation of his comments, whereas to me at least it is clear what he means when he is saying this.
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Yeah I may be wrong but my interpretation of his message is stop trying to bully everyone into your deal with the threat of no deal, rather than say, pass some legislation to remain in case of no deal or something.
Heās missed a trick though. Would have been easier to look like the bigger man and meet her, and then afterwards talk shit about her not wanting to negotiate than to look like he doesnāt want to cooperate.
Theyāre right though, itās a total gimmick on her part and definitely not some divine change of heart.
Are you suggesting that a Leader of the Opposition shouldnāt try to get into power? I mean this is all a bit silly from you really, thereās very little chance of anything but a no deal right now, Mayās deal is rejected, and 2nd Ref only has what - 36 Labour MPās backing it with Libs and a Green, not even going win a vote in Parliament is it? - so what should JC actually do? Oh yeah, try and get elected.
Of course he knows you canāt take no deal off the table, when the clock runs down no deal happens. I would say heās deliberately avoiding talks because a) what is there really to discuss with May on this, the Tories wonāt back anything JC wants, and the last thing he needs is to co-author May deal mark 2 and be tainted with that crap, best stay clear, and wait for the eleventh hour election If it comes. JC isnāt in power, all onus on May.
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I get Corbynās point regarding no deal but not sure what he wants to achieve. Ultimately this is in EU law, which states that we leave on the 31st March no deal or not. Either Corbyn wants to extend Article 50 to remove the instant prospect of no deal or heāll have to compromise.
Also has anyone in labour asked why he wants a customs union but no single market? Seems like heās pandering to the UKIP vote regarding freedom of movement but not sure what a customs union will achieve regarding the Irish border. Iām sorry to say it but heās shown he knows fuck all about the subject as much as JRM et al