@Annie85x @DavidHillier Do you think Bryan will wrestle his last match for AEW at WrestleDream and do you reckon Shane is showing up?
Heâs got Mox, right?
I donât think so, personally. It would have to be some sort of screw job (e.g. Wheeler Yuta rejoining the BCC, but thereby turning on Bryan). That would inevitably mean Bryan comes back for vengeance.
I can see him losing it more âcleanlyâ in a final retirement match somewhere. (God only knows who to)
And what about Shane, you think heâs joining? If so, how do you feel about?
Iâm hoping he doesnât, but also wouldnât be THAT surprised if Bryan did lose. The idea of Mox as champ doesnât excite me too much though, id rather unhinged crazy Hangman as champ. 
If he does, I can see Bryan having a few months off and coming back next year for a few final matches before an âofficialâ retirement maybe around the summer timeâŚfuck knows who against though, heâs pretty much wrestled everyone at this stage.
Thereâll be another Omega match before he retires, which is the only big singles match I can think of that they need to revisit. And Omega is heavily rumoured to return over the next few months, so it definitely should be on the cards.
Iâm not too fussed about Shane either way tbh, would be a bit of a woah! moment, but ultimately I donât feel overly interested. I would give it a chance if he did come in and be open minded about it though.
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Is the current TV product that bad?
Iâm only keeping up via Reddit/Twitter, majority are shitting on it but from the few bits I see, it doesnât look that bad.
To my surprise, the Mox stuff looks somewhat interesting.
Mind you, thatâs just off a couple minutes Iâve seen over the 5-6 hours of TV content AEW puts out so maybe thatâs why.
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Itâs honestly been fine tbh!
Itâs not been bad by any means, just had some very inconsistent booking at times and too many occasions where stories just get dropped without explanation.
Weâre approaching the C2 again soon and that was great last year, so I definitely expect more of the same this year again.
I think itâs an easy target ATM with ratings being much lower than they were and WWE just being so damn hot. I see people who probably donât even watch the show clown on it because that just seems to be the in thing right now and what a lot of the wrasslin YouTubers are getting their clicks from.
Itâs not perfect, and there are weeks when you donât feel like youâd miss much if you skipped it or just caught up with the highlights online, but I still find when itâs firing on all cylinders and doing what it does best itâs still a fantastic product to watch.
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you just had to be there
https://x.com/thenaomiwolf/status/1844229613683441767?s=46&t=eJpgg6uHWRsStnASv-OePg
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Really awkward seeing this now with all the stuff that has come out.
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Long title reigns need to not be common place. I agree with @Josh on that.
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Definitely not for every title, and within the last year pretty much every title has had a reign that would have been uncommonly long in another era.
Long title reigns arenât the problem, itâs whether whatâs happening is actually interesting. @Leper description of âsupermanâ sounds a lot like the Super Cena stuff which the fans got tired of really quickly.
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Well Romanâs title reign was a monster reign done well. Obviously with a story that long it has its ups and downs but it always felt purposeful. Some of the other long runs weâve had with other titles definitely feel like theyre long for the sake of being long.
Younger fans seem to think once a wrestler loses a match theyâre âburiedâ which I think plays into it.
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Very big issue and I donât know how you change the culture around that. These guys would combust at some of the outcomes of matches during the Attitude Era. The Rock lost all the time FFS 
even Stone Cold ate a lot of losses. Kurt Angle wasnât short of being punked in a match.
However, it was hugely important in establishing that âanything can happenâ even if it resulted in some stupid stuff.
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The Rock got pinned by Stephanie FFS and then on the next Smackdown was singing Great Balls of Fire like nothing happened
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Iâll get the exact numbers sometime but I remember reading Rock only won like 35% of his matches 98 and around 50% on 1999. Y
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Just finished the McMahon doc and man it really made me miss that attitude and ruthless aggression WWF.
Sure the business is still booming now but that will forever be peak wrestling.
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Largely I agree. Itâs certainly the best the main event scene thereâs ever been. However there bits of it I donât miss. Titles getting hot shotted all over the place to the point they didnât mean much. If I go back and watch an attitude era show now I have to be ready to cringe horribly any time a woman is presented on screen too.
Outside the main event, I donât think the storytelling is particularly good and some of the matches that made it onto ppv were very questionable indeed
The first WWF show I ever went to was Rebellion 2001. Just really as the WWF was in the dying embers of the attitude era. The UK ppvs were booked strangely because they didnât tend to get broadcast back in sthe States which made them house shows as well as ppvs but nonetheless, this was the card I saw:
Billy and Chuck Vs Justin Credible and Lance Storm
Edge Vs Christian (cage match) (IC Championship)
Scotty 2 Hotty Vs The Hurricane
Big Show Vs DDP
Dudley Boys Vs APA Vs Hardy Boys (WCW Tag Team Championship)
William Regal Vs Tajiri
Chris Jericho Vs Kurt Angle (WCW Championship)
Lita & Torrie Wilson Vs Mighty Molly & Stacy Kiebler
Stone Cold Vs The Rock (WWF Championship)
I think that card shows some of the best and worst habits of the attitude era. The main events were incredible. The IC title match and the tag title match too. Somehow Scotty Vs Hurricane was incredibly over and Big Show Vs DDP was rescued by the crowd loving DDP.
But christ, some of the dross that made it onto that card. The opening bout was dreadful, Regalâs match got this weird muted reception because Regal was a heel and despite both wrestlers being excellent they werenât really allowed to show it. Plus the weird, borderline racist storyline that had led to it. The womenâs tag match was literally a piss break match, so many people left their seats while that was going on.
Love this match.
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@Annie85x have you seen WrestleDream yet?
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