Bret Hart Was Quite Good

[DavidHillier]

@SRCJJ

The AJ Styles moment was great

When he came back as the American Badass?

[SRCJJ]

Yep. Well allegedly some kind of “hybrid” of Big Evil, Badass and Phenom. Great moment and great bit of cinema.

[SRCJJ]

I’ll get around to that. I love my podcasts and stuff these days.

[Mr_Nostalgia]

Remember when taker had everyone thinking he was retiring after the Reigns match

- YouTube

[DavidHillier]

@Josh

Nah it was a guy called Del Wilkes, who used the gimmick in Japan before jumping to the WWF. Never got a push because the Hart Foundation didn’t like working with him

I did think it was weird for Bret to have a title defence against a relative “nobody” like the Patriot at Bad Blood lol.

Given the 5-star match that Undertaker and Shawn Michaels had at the end, a good title match preceding that would have made it one of the greatest PPVs everm

[Josh]

Yeah it was mainly just a filler for that event just to heat up Team Canada vs Team USA

[Mr_Nostalgia]

One, two, is this on?

[DavidHillier]

Aaaaaaand you’ve lowered the tone

[Mr_Nostalgia]

@DavidHillier

Bad Blood

I was just reading this was the last ppv with Vinnie on commentary. Of course, only a month later the character would be born in the fallout of the Montreal screwjob.

[SRCJJ]

So boys who do we rank as the:

The best heel of the 90s
The best face of the 90s
The best match of the 90s
The best tag team of the 90s?
The most overrated of the 90s
And the most underrated?

Hollywood Hogan
Steve Austin
Austin vs. Hart at Mania 13
Steiner Brothers
Hulk Hogan (not including his late 96-97 work)
Owen Hart

[SRCJJ]

@Mr_Nostalgia all you need is an avatar change brother.

[RockyMaivia]

@SRCJJ

Controversially I don’t think Scott Hall ever should have been champion. He was smart, he knew his role and that’s why he’s content with never being champ. He was a great worker, great talker but there was always people more appropriate for the belt than him.

He was definitely a better candidate for the belt at times when other less worthy names were winning it but by and large you’d think keeping the belt on Hart/Michaels/Diesel was better than giving it to Hall. And then when he shifted to WCW he was better as a member of the nWo rather than as the lead honcho and nobody would deny Hollywood Hogan was the best candidate for the big gold strap in 96-97.

Scott Hall much like Randy Savage (who played a big part in making DDP huge) didn’t have as much ego as Hogan/Nash and had zero problems putting people over when needed to. They had confidence in their characters and personalities it didn’t matter how many losses they ate.

In regards to being WCW champion, there’s only one thing that messed up Hall and that was his inner demons with drugs and alcohol. WCW was corporate culture to the max where things got veto’d on a daily basis. It was never going to happen which is a shame because I could see a Scott Hall babyface/tweener championship run really working.

Incidentally with your new avatar I’ve been watching a lot of WCW 1997-1998 over the past month on the Network and got to say as much as I love the Attitude Era, WCW 1997-1998 is my favourite presentation of wrestling ever. No company has really ever nailed the immersion of wrestling ever since.

[Mr_Nostalgia]

Shawn Michaels
Stone Cold
Razor v Michaels ladder match
LOD for early part of the decade
Ultimate Warrior
Sid

[DavidHillier]

Again, can’t disagree too much with what you’ve said there mate lol

The best heel of the 90s- Hogan (greatest heel turn ever and I don’t think it’s ever been close to being matched by the WWE in spite of trying)
The best face of the 90s- Bret (just cos he did it for longer than Austin)
The best match of the 90s- Hart v Austin WM13 (just better than the Royal Rumble of 1992)
The best tag team of the 90s- Owen and Bulldog
The most overrated of the 90s- HHH
And the most underrated- Vader

[DavidHillier]

@Mr_Nostalgia

LOD for early part of the decade

“Well…”

[Mr_Nostalgia]

@DavidHillier

And the most underrated- Vader

It’s time, it’s time, it’s…Vader time

[SRCJJ]

Yep. Hall has stated in recent years he always just did what he thought was best for the business and a lot of people commend Hall for his brain and knowledge of the business. I think ultimately he knew who the belt would have been better on.

And I agree with the last paragraph too. Immense presentation I loved everything about 97 Nitro.

[SRCJJ]

@DavidHillier

The most overrated of the 90s- HHH
And the most underrated- Vader

I’d put HHH as most overrated in history but the reason I overlooked him for the 90s was because his big break didn’t really come until the last 6 months of 99.

Great choice for Vader.

[DavidHillier]

@SRCJJ

I’d put HHH as most overrated in history but the reason I overlooked him for the 90s was because his big break didn’t really come until the last 6 months of 99.

HHH is to wrestling what the likes of HearSay are to the music industry.

Manufactured bullshit

[RockyMaivia]

Surely Diesel/Nash has to be the most overrated in the 90’s. 1 year championship run that didn’t work. Booked himself to win Starrcade 98 against Goldberg to run into the fingerpoke of doom which eliminated all of WCW’s momentum and made way for a mediocre 1999. Apart from the NWO Wolfpac I’m pretty sure Nash made everything worse.