Don’t be a dick. We shouldn’t of been getting rolled over like we did on them occasions. Had more than enough talent to compete and not be getting whacked out the park. Same as Europe the tactics were crap. The game plan sussed a week before by opposition.
Hide behind this imaginary nonsense all you like but the players got overrun and lost without an ounce of guidance because Wenger wouldn’t and in the end couldn’t understand the modern day game.
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Very disingenuous to blame it all on Wenger.
No there wasn’t enough talent.
Anyone who think we had enough talent to fend off big clubs despite our injury troubles is just being dishonest.
We were bested by likes of Bayern, Barcelona and likes in Europe. We were never going to win the CL with the players we had.
Players we had were not even Top4 quality as proven post Wenger.
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Talking about the hidings and poor European showings.
Remind me how many Top 4 finishes post Wenger we had with these so called “had more than enough talent”?
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That’s not the argument.
It is. If the insinuation is that the players were not the problem and the problem is the manager.
So tell me what is this club achieving with the players which were not the problem?
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Let me check it for you.
We are in midtable for two consecutive seasons. That’s what these players are. And to be honest, this is the natural position for this club.
Wenger did this club a favour keeping it relevant with a mediocre squad for more than a decade.
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It’s not the argument. That’s the argument you want it to be about.
This is the argument.
You want the squad which whimped out against Olympiacos at home to be at level with Bayern and Barcelona
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Was the squad Liverpool had making two European cup finals any better than most Wenger squads. Obviously not. The difference was Benitez.
You give Rafa them Arsenal squads he does better than Wenger even in the Emirates era.
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Outliers are not the norm
Next you will bring up Leicester
Making two European finals in three seasons it not an outlier 
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I remember your stance when Klopp made his CL finals
And yet Arsenal under Wenger’s management were paying them not just a Champions League level wage, but a wage you’d arguably expect a league championship from (2015 and 2016).
We’re still carrying these “not even Top4 quality” players because of mismanagement of the wage structure which had been an issue even before the Ozil-era.
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We paid more wages to mediocre players.
Fine, I can live with that because that is not Wengers job.
Board is incompetent is not a debate for me. Wenger made the best out of their incompetency
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I mean post 2006 we haven’t had a defensive partnership or depth nearly as good as what they had when making those finals. We were playing inexperienced kids too. We had Fabregas but they had a world class playmaker in Xabi Alonso and a world class attacking midfielder in Gerrard. They added a top class DM in Mascherano to that. They didn’t have any weaknesses, where as we clearly did. They didn’t have loads of LOL worthy players, which we always have had in the Emirates era.
Also our best team we had post 2006 ran into Guardiola’s Barce twice and we at least beat them. That’s one of the best sides of all time. We also beat Bayern when they won it when we started the likes of Sanogo.
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What are you talking about? Wenger openly spoke about his socialist wage structure and how he was a big believer in paying players as much as he could.
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The ‘socialist model’ wage structure was absolutely Wenger’s idea. Keep everyone in the squad at a similar financial level in the belief it created better harmony across the team.
Our board was incompetent, and they were guilty of just following Wenger’s lead in this instance.
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How is that an evidence that Wenger wanted a socialist structure.
If so, why wasn’t this structure adopted until we moved to Emirates?
It wasn’t.
Just because Wenger never pointed fingers at the board like Mourinho, people believe everything is done by Wenger. Quite frankly It was a sheer naivity that you guys believe this.
Wenger was the face of the club and just like he went ‘I didn’t see’ for the players, he also took the heat which should have been aimed at the board.
Just look at those quotes
we have an amount of money that is dedicated to wages. Within that we try to do things that make sense and are defendable
Henry was one of highest paid footballer in PL under Wenger
Wenger conveniently then dropped the model once the Stadium debt eased off and bought Ozil at non-socialist wages.
At the end of the day, this club served a shit deal to Wenger at his prime and Wenger being a loyal honourable man that he is, did this ungrateful club a massive favour.
Should have given a finger to the board and this club; and let it rot a decade earlier than it did.
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