you have to factor in the clubs they play for when you look at their numbers,
I donāt think itās crazy to say rashford would have more minutes played and better numbers if he had been playing for spurs for the passed few seasons than mouriniho and van gals utd do you?
If alli has been a utd player his whole career he would only have a few starts to his name at this point in his career, in comparison rashford is becoming one of the most important players (under mouriniho no less) in utds squad and is younger than alli,
If alli was a utd player and rashford was a spurs player rashford would have the better numbers so basing you assesment on that alone is a flawed way to assess their potential IMO
Maybe, maybe not. If you want to judge a player based on how you think theyād perform at a different/worse club then thatās your prerogative. For me, itās not just about how many games theyāve started though. Itās about how they have both performed. Rashford is a good player, no doubt, and an exciting prospect but I feel like Iāve seen more from Alli. Heās more consistent and is improving constantly whereas I think Rashford is lacking that superstar quality which Alli possesses.
Yeah Iām not convinced thereās much in it between Rashford and Alli. Not really sure how good Rashford is honestly, I go back and forth a bit on him, and donāt watch him consistently enough to say for sure. But Alli is being massively overrated here. Heās a goal scoring #10 who is average to poor in every other facet of the game. At first I rated him because he came with the reputation of being a real midfield player, but itās clear heās not really that and that itās not just the tactical position Poch has deployed in him, but rather his qualities dictating the tactical position Poch deploys him in.
Iām not really sure whoās better between the two but I do get the feeling if I had to choose, that Iād go with Rashford. Would prefer a goal scoring forward with dribbling ability than a flawed #10, there are lots of players out there who can make for a good #10 or can be moved a bit higher up the pitch as an 8 and make for a better team overall. Goal scoring forwards are not common or easy to find, especially if Rashford also can be a #9 again, as he started out.
Before this season how good would you have said a Young player would have to have been for moriniho to even consider him having place in his squad let alone put as much faith in him as mou seems to be doing with rashford?
Oh is that what I said? I must have written the āI must be rightā part in invisible ink. Some people think Alli is better than Rashford, that is all I meant by it.
Honestly, when I look around the world of football, I think that young, genuine midfielders who are good at real midfield play, like Ceballos or Llorente, are actually the rarity.
Goal scoring 10s/shadow strikers or 7s that could be used as goal scoring 10s donāt strike me as nearly as rare. Your comment would perhaps make more sense if Alli were an 8 or something resembling an 8, but even then, weāve seen the pitfalls of relying on a goal-scoring 8 (Ramsey in our case). I prefer a true, proper midfield playerā¦give me Xavi, Kroos, Modric, Verratti, Thiago, Kokeā¦
Ali is a big time talent, however, I do get what some are saying with regard to him. If you watched Spuds recently particularly against West Ham you can see that a lot their play breaks down when it reaches him, more than a few of their attacking phases of play came to nothing when the ball came to him and this was at a point when they could have put the game against West Ham to bed.
I donāt think heās efficient enough at this point, he scores goals sure and makes fantastic runs but heās game has stalled a little IMO and thatās one of the reasons why he plays so close to goal. He isnāt playing as a #10 at top echelons as he is now and doesnāt quite have the game to play that is required of a CM at a top club either.
Where as rashford on the other hand on track to be a key player for Manchester United,
Obviously he could end up not making it too but as much as I think heās a cunt the fact that mouriniho seems to trust him makes me pretty confidant he will go on to be a top top player
This is a pretty balanced view I thinkā¦ I would just point out as well that he is 21, has 76 appearances and is now a key player for a team fighting for CL spotsā¦ he has 30 goals and 17 assists during those appearances and is definitely one of their more important players.
I donāt rate him as highly as Mbappe, but to be fair, I havenāt watched much of Mbappeā¦ what I am pretty impressed with re: Alli is that he is fearless - wants to get on the ball and be the man at critical times and fights until the end. He is someone that isnāt fun to play against (regardless of his cuntiness)ā¦
Wrt Wilshere, I think using one game against Barca as basis to say he is better is kind of invalidā¦ yeah, it is a big indicator that he can produce some great quality, but Iād have to say over 50+ games and taking into consideration age, Alli has the edge over Wilshere apples/apples - Jack just never did it consistently or long enough. And all the recent excitement over Jack is largely down to a performance againstā¦ Doncaster? His time at Bournemouth was successful by all accounts but Iām not sure we would expect anything less than a good Arsenal player being the best player at a club like Bournemouthā¦
Itās not about whoās better itās about potential, for a player to do what wilshire did over 2 legs against Barcelona was enough to show he had the potential to be up their with the very best, alli has been very consistent is is a very good player, Iām not sure he has ever put in a performance that would make you think he could be up their with the very best in his position
Also if you were to read on my point was that I wouldnāt have rated wilshire as 2nd best prospect in the world in the same way alli isnāt
Well it wasnāt supposed to. Of course Iām aware that not everyone will have the same opinion ā that is the joy of football. All I was trying to do was explain why I think Alli has been placed higher than Rashford on the list. Both talented players but I personally think Alli has the higher ceiling, you disagree. Thatās that.
Rating of prospects is kind of funny business anyway, isnāt it? Like I said, a player who has 70+ senior caps and 30 goals, etc. by 21 for a CL quality (hehe) club is pretty damn impressive and one might even say āhe isnāt a prospect any more - nailed on starter for a top 4/5 club.ā
Wilshere to me had a bit of magic about him and it was incredibly seductive to think how good he could be, following on the footsteps (albeit differently) of our wonderful Cesc - but Alli is very effective player who has a pretty lengthy and impressive resume now. He might not turn out as good as Mbappe, Dembele, Assensio, etc. (and I would tend to agree with you there), but he is absolutely belonging in the conversation on merit. Predicting how much headroom a player has (i.e., additional potential) is really, really hard anyway.