Granit Xhaka (34)


#1329

Hes right on the first sentence.


#1330

He was never Irish anyway…


#1331

Does he mean our worst signing or in the PL or just by us.
Does he also mean value for money, because we have had far worse signings but nearly as expensive.

I can only assume he never saw Veron, for both Man U and Chelsea who was a record signing, or Torres at Liverpool or any of the players that Mourinho bought for ridiculous amounts of money that he then hardly ever played because they weren’t good enough.
Even spurs have wasted similar equivalent amounts on worse players in recent seasons.

I think he has shown, in a few games what he is capable of, and next season will be more consistent.

Cascarino does tend to talk first and then think later.
Seeing as he works for Talk Sport it’s hardly surprising.

I don’t know what the Latin is for talking without thinking, but that should be the Talk Sport motto.

I just looked it up, and it might be "collocutio absque cogitabundus.


#1332

As if he has been the worse signing of all time. What a fucking ridiculous thing to be saying!


#1333

He isnt even the worst signing Wenger has made.


#1334

Exactly. Like he is worse than Stepanovs or Silvestre


#1335

Xhaka has at times been poor, no doubt about it, but it seems that after another loss every pundit and opposition fans want to point to Xhaka and say ‘see that’s why their most expensive signing this season’. But in reality he’s had 2 decent games on the trott.


#1336

Torres was good at Liverpool tbf.


#1337

So me basically. :smile:

Big Cas was basically a 1990s Jonathan Walters. :slight_smile:


#1338

You’re right, sorry, I meant Chelsea.

Liverpool sold Torres to Chelsea and was less than impressive after the transfer.
But, like you say, he was very good for Liverpool, who then spent around 40m on Carroll, who wasn’t much of a success either, mainly because of his constant injuries.


#1339

I really haven’t been that annoyed at Xhaka this season. Arsenal have been cumulatively shite - not one player.

More disappointed in the players who have been here longer and have largely dropped their level. Someone in the their first year in England, at 24 years old, is not the one.


#1340

Agree with this, but having said that, he came in with high expectations, and rightly so… bigger issue for me are the basic flaws that he has displayed - poor touch, composure, simple misplaced passes at random moments, poor tackling - and frankly, not reading the game as well as I would expect. We knew he wasn’t the most mobile guy, and that is fine. I wasn’t expecting a superstar, but more of a tidy, intelligent player with great passing and technical ability - he looks just like the rest of our no-brainers atm and doesn’t seem to add that technical ability in the middle that I had hoped for.

Again, it is simply watching him play and the frequency of incredibly basic errors that concerns me - I could excuse a LOT for a new player in this diabolical system, but that is just incongruent with reasonable expectations for a player of that supposed calibre imho.

I haven’t completely given up on him but I am not at all optimistic.


#1341

Yeah he’s not even in the same galaxy as some of the poor players we’ve witnessed.

The money in football escalates so quickly that I’m not even sure at what point £35m is classed as a mid-level spend for our club now, or if we’ve passed that. I do know that we overpaid for him and the spotlight on him is bigger than at players at other clubs, who have more realistic price tags and who have also disappointed overall.

Anyway my contentious (rather less so now) viewpoint is that he’s shown more promise going forward (as in the future) than our other £35m signing of last summer.


#1342

Our system offers zero protection to the back 6.

Of course players like Xhaka can’t cover all that space - this has been a theme time and again over the last ten years.

We should be in a system that eliminates the deficiencies of players, or at least mitigates them, not continuing with this ‘one size fits all’ ethos we have since 2008.


#1343

Yeah my issues are not that he isn’t doing his job of “protection” - agree this is larger issue… my concerns are that he doesn’t yet show that he is that great of a footballer too often. Yes, he has had a game or two where he was pretty good and didn’t commit basic amateur errors, but there are plenty where he does - that is on the player, not the system.


#1344

Hes cost us goals with some very poor distribution at times and not always being pressed.
He hasnt done anything to convince me he has much to offer yet.


#1345

To me he has shown nothing to suggest he is a top player. Given the time and space any average player can look like a superstar. It’s the games where there is no time ponder where you have act fast and be affective that separates world class player from average ones. He has been dross like the rest of our midfield


#1346

If you expected technical ability, you just don’t know Xhaka. He is not this type of player. He will never be a Isco, Thiago Alcantara, etc.

We must stop see him as a world class player because he is not. We buy him for his passing ability, aggresivity (thanks refs) and his great vista. For me, he is a player who learn and I’m sure he will improve and prove his value soon. His season has been broken because of his stupid red cards.


#1347

I’ve been thinking about Xhaka and when he first came he didn’t play. That’s bound to impact his fitness. And then he plays and he’s off the pace and in a faster more intense league. I’m hoping he adapts to the pace after a pre-season.


#1348

:+1:

Totally agree with you, I’ve the same thought about Granit, but:

  • @ljungbergkamp is wrong, but the first to not understand the role is Wenger because talked about him as potential box to box midfielder, when we have seen how is bad when he plays into a duo on midfield (despite he has played many times with only one midfielder near him last year with Gladbach).

  • Granit looks a mono-dimensional player. If he can perform in only one role, with precise tactics and conditions to show his talent, has been a big mistake to sign him, especially for the amount of money spent to sign him. I hope of his reaction during the final of the season and the next year, but at the moment he has under performed basing my judgment on the expectations. His qualities sold to us the idea to have signed the new Micheal Carrick, but at the moment he is miles away to be an “Alex Song”.