Probably the discussion on devolution in just twenty minutes might have ruffled the feathers
All this will do is intensify the calls for a second independence vote.
OK, so no legitimate reason to object to his ejection, their dissatisfaction is about what came before and really thatâs why they walked out.
Iâve actually always wondered what is the appropriate time limit you can have on a Referendum on the same issue?
Like leaving the EU when you voted to stay in it
#FuckTheUnion
Thatâs a bit unfair. Scotland has basically lost its powers within 20 minutes because May was too chicken shit to risk lengthy debates. Then Berckow incorrectly overruled the SNP guys motion to vote.
Major reason for having a Referendum in the first place is so it can provide a long term binding decision on an issue that has been highly contentious for decades.
The Scots voted to stay in the UK for better or worse in 2014. They knew full well the political implications of being committed to a Union. Seems unreasonable to have an another IndyRef within the next 5 - 10 years.
Democracy is weird
They have every right IMO based on unforeseen pivotal - essentially Union changing - circumstances.
Besides, itâs something that can somewhat fairly be judged appropriate based on the projected will of Scotland. If poll after polls were to show a majority appetite for independence then they should have the second referendum. Itâs not there yet, but it could go that way soon given whatâs currently happening.
Personally I hope the Scots stay and vote Labour, as I donât see SNP or independence ultimately fixing their problems, but its not my call to make.
I wouldnât classify Brexit as unforeseen, Euroscepticism was on a steady rise in the UK. It was a major talking point in the run up to GE.
Iâm all for self determination but it canât be done on a whim. The moment was in 2014 and with such a high turn out you canât turn around cancel the result based on opinion polls, which are naturally flawed âtoolsâ.
The whole point of having a one binding referendum is so the result isnât subject to constantly changing trends, which is what the mood around Brexit is exactly. Itâs opportunist politics from the SNP, their lust for total power knows no bounds.
Of course you want Scotland to stay. Labour - SNP coalition is the only way the boy gets power
And a major part of their decision to stay within the Union was the benefits of being in the EU, and now despite Scotland voting to remain, they are going to be forced to leave.
Thatâs why I think another independence referendum is on the cards.
@sevchenko this. Combined with what happened today. Of course under normal circumstances a referendum would be binding for some considerable time, but these two things have pulled the rug out. Ultimately if enough Scottish people want it they will get it, because its pressure that in the end sways power.
The idea that Scotland voted to stay is flawed. Scotland wasnât asked if it wanted to stay, the United Kingdom was and it said no.
Where else in the world are three countries binded together as one for some stupid union.
Four countries.
And I dunno. But it is what it is until itâs not.
Why do England even allow âWalesâ and âScotlandâ to even exist anymore? Should just all be England by now tbh.
Northern Ireland for me is Ireland they may be in the UK but they arenât actually Britain as they arenât connected to us
This is awkward in so many ways. But the most awkward atm is the make up of our government. (DUP)