Obama says "if you're successful you did'nt build that....

[g4e]

...somebody else did!". WTF is this communist anti-american talking about?



That is classic comi crap! this fucker IS a communist, make no mistake.

I've had my own businesses and i can tell you with experience, this fucker (nor any other fucker) built my businesses, I DID. any business owner who started from the ground up with nothing in their pockets (past or present, whatever country they live in) like i did on more than 1 occasion can tell you this cunt is talking shit. i was the 1 who got up at the crack of dawn, broke my back, worked all the hours i had to, saw little of my family and made MANY sacrifices to make businesses work-not him and not anyone else!


FUCK YOU BARRY SOETORO!!!!

[Forever]

The alternative are a bunch of crooks and liars, who hate women, the middle class, the poor and are only in the running to give tax breaks to the rich and their billionaire friends. The 1%. The GOP: "Legitimate Rape". Nice party /sarc.

No, thanks.

Obama 2012.

[shamrockgooner]

Without going looking for it I'm guessing the clip has been taken out of context from a wider topic or speech he was giving.

He's right to a degree, practically no one does it on their own and he hasn't said people didn't or don't make sacrifices, just that others have helped them to be successful.

[g4e]

@Forever: "Obama 2012"? LMFAO! there is no alternative, they are both the same shit!

Without going looking for it I'm guessing the clip has been taken out of context from a wider topic or speech he was giving.

He's right to a degree, practically no one does it on their own and he hasn't said people didn't or don't make sacrifices, just that others have helped them to be successful.

Like who? Who helped me?

[BradyMagic]

I think what he's suggesting is the expression being a self made man or woman in business is a misnomer and rarely does a single person make a success of a business without the help, work and efforts of plenty of others and even in most successful businesses, who is it doing the actual work that makes that business successful and makes its money, those at the top or those on the coal face, the shop floor and the like?

Whenever I hear things like Sir Christopher Wren built St Paul's Cathedral or that Steve Jobs brought us the iphone then my natural reaction is "Did they really?" When the Channel Tunnel drilling holes met in the middle, it was British and French manual workers who shook hands at the breakthrough.

[shamrockgooner]

I don't know your situation g4e but at a guess I'd say you were helped by banks, by your employees, by support of your family, by technology, by equipment which allowed your company to thrive. Ultimately you had the get up and go to make it a success but without all those elements (the ones that apply to your situation) where would you have gotten?

[Jakey Boy]

Anyone who genuinely believes that Obama is a communist is a fucking moron and should be banned from the current affairs section of the forum

[g4e]

@shamrockgooner. i did it all myself. i didn't borrow any money, i didn't ask for any business advice and i was in charge of everything. from answering the phones, booking trucks organising my warehouse and driving the forklift loading up the trucks.
I started my warehouse without any money whatsoever. i brought in my cousin as a partner and he fucked the whole thing up after trying to import 80 kils of heroin...but that's another story altogether.
3 years ago i started up a carpet cleaning business with ZERO cash in my pocket. i built up a clientèle from scratch and had regular customers. i did have some luck where i was carrying my equipment to a job and an industrial cleaning guy asked if i wanted some of his buisness contracts, so i had private and commercial work. all my own doing. i don't believe in asking for help if i can do it myself. it's just the way i am, i'm old school.
I lost my carpet cleaning business after i injured my eye while working on my car. i nearly lost my eye (sliced it wide open right across 1 side to the other). The docs wouldn't let me work for over a year and by that time i had lost my customers and just couldnt be bothered to invest all the time and effort into doing it again.

Anyone who genuinely believes that Obama is a communist is a fucking moron and should be banned from the current affairs section of the forum

Anyone who genuinely is unaware that Barry Soetoro (that's his real name, he never changed it to Barack H Obama) is a communist is a fucking moron and should be banned from the current affairs section of the forum!


You know, i maybe uneducated and not able to structure my arguments to look flashy and make me out to be more intelligent than i actually am (yes i really did teach myself how to read and write. if Mr Richards who was head of Richmond house at Highbury Grove is still alive, he will tell you all about me, that i never bothered learning anything. but wait, Barry says i didn't teach myself anything, Govt did it for me. just like Govt built my business), but who the fuck are you to judge me Jacky? how the fuck do you know what i know and what i don't?

[Jakey Boy]

If you understood the basic tenets of communism it would be abundantly clear that Obama is not a communist. I really cannot be any clearer than that.

You are entitled to your opinion and I wasn't being serious saying that you should be banned for thinking he is a communist, it was designed to point out how misguided you are, that's all.

[BradyMagic]

Have you ever had staff in any of your businesses?

I'm not trying to be a dick either but if that industrial cleaner bloke gave you his contracts does that not qualify as help? You even said yourself that was a stroke of luck. These are all the exact kind of things Obama is on about, it's just that he can't realistically list every possibility so he's expecting people to get the general idea of what he is saying. None of which means that you haven't played a big part in your business yourself, that you have not worked hard or is suggesting it was handed to you on a plate and are undeserving though.

I think the line of thought about Obama being a Communist kind of gets dismissed too when we was fairly and democratically voted into office.....which ironically isn't something you can say about the previous incumbent.

[Jakey Boy]

i built up a clientèle from scratch and had regular customers. i did have some luck where i was carrying my equipment to a job and an industrial cleaning guy asked if i wanted some of his buisness contracts, so i had private and commercial work. all my own doing.

Right...

[g4e]

If you understood the basic tenets of communism it would be abundantly clear that Obama is not a communist. I really cannot be any clearer than that.

You are entitled to your opinion and I wasn't being serious saying that you should be banned for thinking he is a communist, it was designed to point out how misguided you are, that's all.

My apologies for my outburst but...without going to Google, have you ever heard of a guy called Frank Marshall Davis?

If you haven't i suggest you go research Frank Marshall Davis and research Obama FULLY from the day he was born to the present. i have spent HOURS doing exactly just that and i know the man is a communist and a fucking traitor to his nation and to humanity in general.

I don't subscribe to the " birthers" conspiracy theory about him, but i do believe his birth certificate is the key to who this man really is.

Have you ever had staff in any of your businesses?

I'm not trying to be a dick either but if that industrial cleaner bloke gave you his contracts does that not qualify as help? You even said yourself that was a stroke of luck. These are all the exact kind of things Obama is on about, it's just that he can't realistically list every possibility so he's expecting people to get the general idea of what he is saying. None of which means that you haven't played a big part in your business yourself, that you have not worked hard or is suggesting it was handed to you on a plate and are undeserving though.

I think the line of thought about Obama being a Communist kind of gets dismissed too when we was fairly and democratically voted into office.....which ironically isn't something you can say about the previous incumbent.

I got staff in once i could afford to, and once i was sure things were stable enough to do that when i had my warehouse. not in my carpet cleaning business. i could have but chose to stay a 1 man show to guarantee service quality.


Well, if i hadn't started my business i wouldn't have been going to a job to clean a house and bumping into someone who needed to share his workload because he was getting swamped. i understand what you are saying, i really do...but knowing Barry as i do-i know that's not what he is talking about. it's what we assume he would say if is who he says he is. i know for a fact he is a lying, thieving fucking communist who couldn't run a campaign speech if you put a gun to his head and told him to start talking or you blow his head off without his teleprompter. go on YT and search for the speech when his teleprompter fell over and he was fucked and had no idea what to say. the man is a cunt and so is Romney!

[Jakey Boy]

No, I'm not going to spend hours reading the anti-Obama propaganda all over the net. Seeing as you already have done that why don't you save me the time and relatively briefly explain how Obama's political viewpoint makes him a communist, because thus far you've failed to.

Introducing a health care system and recognising the role working stiffs and others aside from the owners play in the success of businesses does not make him a communist.

[BradyMagic]

Oh I don't doubt for one minute that he's style over substance and a bit of a talking head puppet president, but I thought that was par for the course anyway.

Surely you're not telling me Dubya was on the ball in everything? Wasn't he asked in interviews even before he was in the job about who was leader in Pakistan and he didn't have a clue and hasn't he worn an earpiece and been feed lines in debates to the extent that he would stop mid-sentence to listen or asked someone not to interrupt him when he was the only one speaking?.....He always looked to me to have this premature little smirk on his face when he got to near the end of a speech, as if he was so proud that he managed to get there without fucking it up, in the same way as a runner with a big lead prematurely celebrates a win even before they cross the line of how a footballer has a big stupid grin on his face just before he puts the ball into an open goal with nobody to stop him from scoring.

Even newsreaders can lose things when the autocue goes but it doesn't mean they don't know what's going on in the world and even if you are reciting a speech using a prompter and something fails, it can catch anyone out and then you try to wing it off the cuff but they aren't actors (not even Reagan) and can't memorise scripts and speeches, so all you hope is that they have some understanding of the subject being covered.

[g4e]

Right...

Come on Jakey...do i really need to go into the long version of what happened. can you not accept the short version for the sake of being short and to the point without reeling of a whole story about how that 1 thing came to be?




Moving on...some Obama insight and fails for you.

If you want to know who Obama really is watch this 10 minute video with the sound off and then go do your own research.



Obama says he will bankrupt the coal industry because coal plants emit greenhouse gases. that shows he has no idea what he and his science advisers are talking about at best. or worse, he knows exactly what he is doing because the US have the best and cleanest coal firing plants in the world and is shutting down GE's competition.




this man is the leader of the free world? he can't even get the words out of his mouth and starts babbling as bad as Bush ever did.




In this film he shows just how bad he really is when he says "corpse man" instead of "Corpseman" in reference to the Navy Corpseman who assisted in Haitian relief efforts.