Players like Schweinsteiger, Robben, Ribbery have earned their right to bypass that law.
Players like Diaby, Robin don't.
Players like Schweinsteiger, Robben, Ribbery have earned their right to bypass that law.
Players like Diaby, Robin don't.
Again, it's the law that they are legally responsible for the first 6 weeks and after that the terms of the contract will dictate what happens. (UK doesn't have this 6 week rule if I'm right?)
If Diabys and Robins contracts say that they get paid no matter what then tough on those who signed it and have to pay for it.
At what point do you decide which players have earned the right to bypass it?
Their performance will dictate that.
So please define that acceptable level of performance for me.
30 goals by each player, okay 10 by Keeper.
You don't even believe in your own idea. Brilliant.
I Absolutely agree with this idea,
the thought of Diaby entering long-term depression and burning down all his belongings excites me, who knows he may leave in search of a club that pays him when he is injured, he can consider it good insurance.
Magnificent idea.
RobinVanTheMagic Loses it with Koscielny[13-01, 19:00] Gunning from Italy: Rocky, i still can't believe that french baguette lost us the game.Fuck off!Two times in row.[13-01, 19:14] Gunning from Italy: I can defende better than that french croissant.Chelsea Match, RobinVanTheMagic back in form
[20-01, 12:54] Gunning from Italy: Oh fuck, Koscielny is back.
But surely the fact that he scored 37 goals last season along with having only a year left on his current contract was enough to interest other clubs anyway?Originally Posted by Barciur
If a week ago before the statement was made by van Perise, Man City approached Arsenal and said they wanted him, they were never going to offer £50million knowing he only had a year left on his contract. They might not have even offered the £22million or whatever it was for Nasri considering RvP has had his share of injuries and is about 5 years older of the two. Let's just say though they were willing to offer that £22million before he had made his statement, they would have done so knowing he would have been available for free in a year's time and so both clubs either made a deal now for £22million or he went for free a year later. How has either of those scenarios changed by him making it public knowledge that he has not signed a new contract? Is that going to make City immediately halve their offer price? Is it going to make us any more or less willing to sell?
Hold him to his contract either way, just as we should have done Nasri and Fabregas and lets pretend neither of those players had ever played for us before and we had still managed to finish 3rd last season with RvP staying fit for all of it and scoring 37 goals. The general consensus would probably have been we needed a few more world class players for that final push, maybe creative players who could be game changers when things were tight, a couple of players like Fabregas and Nasri for example. Yet had we held onto them last season and also got a full season from RvP for the first time in ages, what difference might that have made?
Something else to consider is that bringing in Giroud and Podolski is promising but how does that work with all three of them? If all three play then does that shift RvP out wide? If so is he happy about that considering it took him so long to get that centre of a front three position role and/or be first choice forward? Does playing all three and RvP out wide mean his mate Walcott, being someone he clearly likes in the team alongside him getting benched? If only two of RvP/Giroud/Poldolski play then doesn't that really only make one addition to the first 11 if RvP does? Is that the end of the signings or will the club have any news at their next sit down meeting With RvP that might help him consider a change of heart?
The point I was making before that Trion was struggling with regarding it making no real difference about RvP making his statement, is that if he said nothing and the season started with our first game on 18th August and he played for us, then everyone would still think there was only one scenario if no announcement was made saying that he had signed and that would be that he had not, by the very fact that there was no announcement from the club to say he had.
I'm sure people wouldn't really think he's waiting to see how Arsenal start the season and then he will sign because the window closes after two games and even if we won both, what difference would that make? So even without a statement saying he hadn't/wouldn't sign, as soon as he ran out onto the pitch in our shirt then the mystery would be solved either way and everyone would know that he still had not signed due to a lack of any announcement.
Forcing him to stay eats into another year of his short remaining career time and also means he, his wife and kids are settled in London and at schools for another year and for the sake or what might only be another 2-3 years left of his career, he might decide moving then really isn't worth it. If in that final season when we forced him to stay we happened to top the table at Christmas and the new signings got off to a flyer, Gervinho improved for his second season, Walcott became more confident and consistent after the Euros and Arteta and Wilshere came back from injury, then RvP might even reassess his options.
And anyway, why would he want to go to Man City? It's not like he knows anyone up there!
ProudGunner,
I agree with most of what you say except that RvP owes Arsenal and the fans one thing - respect. In trying to engineer a move in the way that he did he showed a total lack of respect for the club and its supporters. He should have said nothing, played out his final year and left the club quietly. Nobody would have objected, especially if we'd had another trophyless season. Who could have blamed him? Instead he now looks like a c*nt and has put himself in the same bracket as Cole, Adebayor and Nasri. Not nice company to be in.
Last year Nasri played for us against Liverpool. Even before that he was being booed by Arsenal fans who were singing songs about him even though he hadnt signed for City but there were rumours he would. He even tweeted having a go at those Arsenal fans saying they should remember he is still an Arsenal player.
So make a statement or not, if you dont sign the contract you will get booed and abused.
Exactly, well done for exposing Trion's BS. I cannot see how a law can stop a football club from paying an injured player if they want or have contractual terms to that effect.
I honestly cannot see any top players going to that league if they had this law. Injuries are common in football due to the nature of the sport and to have terms like this would be ridiculous.
I think what he did was wrong and disrespectful but I dont share your opinion of putting him alongside people like Cole, Adebayor and Nasri. What those 3 did was much much worse, RVP is no where near as bad as them.
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That would soon die down though if ultimately he was forced to see out his contract and would die ever quicker once he started scoring goals.
Fans can be fickle as we all know and also if they soon got bored of booing Beckham after being sent off for England and booing Ronaldo for his part in Rooney's sending off then they would soon get bored of booing their own player too.
Proud Gooner, You're right. I agree that RvP isn't there yet but the story isn't finished. What I should have said was that "if" he ends up being sold as a result of his tweet it makes him no better than the rest. He'll be another player who ochestrated a move for more money whilst disrespecting the club and the fans that worship him. Personally I hope he stays even if he walks for free in 12 months.
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