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    Do people like him that much? If it's between Huntelaar, Llorente, and Ba for 7m (all are rumoured to be right around that figure, Huntelaar maybe 1m less) I'll take the former two, please!



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    Are we really sure he has a buyout clause?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Bl1nk View Post
    Are we really sure he has a buyout clause?
    Pardew referred to it directly last night. I'm pretty sure it's true, he's also nearly admitted it on other occasions if I recall.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Bl1nk View Post
    Are we really sure he has a buyout clause?
    On Ba's future, Pardew said: "He has never looked me in the eye and said he wants to do anything else but stay here. The situation has not changed.
    "Demba is a player who loves it here and understands it is a football city. We are trying to do a deal with him and take the clause out. We have not managed to do that yet.
    "The clause is always there hanging over us. It makes it difficult for us and Demba and the club. We accept that, it is how football is.
    http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...report-1292724




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    Proven PL quality, but i would MUCH rather the Hunter.


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    It comes down to what type of player you'd rather have at Arsenal. Llorente who would be similar but a better version of Giroud. Huntelaar who is a pure goal scorer or Ba who is the mix of the former two and is proven in the Premier League. Decisions, Decisions, Decisions.


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    out of the 11 players out on that pitch tonight, not one would get in swanseas team let alone man utd



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    can we get john radford & ray kennedy back?



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    Quote Originally Posted by arsenal288 View Post
    out of the 11 players out on that pitch tonight, not one would get in swanseas team let alone man utd
    This is simply incorrect. Swansea's first team would do well to lose 2-1 at Olympiacos, and there are plenty of players in that 11 that would get in Swansea's side.

    Yes, Swansea beat us 2-0, I get it. That doesn't make all our players shit and their's brilliant all of a sudden. And that's no disrespect to Swansea--I think they've a very good side, on the level of Everton, Newcastle, and Liverpool, just a notch below us and Tottenham. But let's chill out with the reactionary-ism.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ArseneCuellar View Post
    This is simply incorrect. Swansea's first team would do well to lose 2-1 at Olympiacos, and there are plenty of players in that 11 that would get in Swansea's side.

    Yes, Swansea beat us 2-0, I get it. That doesn't make all our players shit and their's brilliant all of a sudden. And that's no disrespect to Swansea--I think they've a very good side, on the level of Everton, Newcastle, and Liverpool, just a notch below us and Tottenham. But let's chill out with the reactionary-ism.
    Player for player, we arguably have the 4th best squad in England. In terms of performing as an actual team, we're below the Swan's and majority of the teams you mention. That maybe down too the fact we're a fairly new team. We sold the best player in the league and a fairly important midfielder in Song. The midfield we have...never played together and the attack is the same. Maybe the improvement in our defence might be down to the fact they've played more than a season together. I'm thinking as I write this by the way, but maybe, we simply need time to find our identity as a team. More new signings may only serve to de-stablise the team...hmmmmmm


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    i agree with all of the above, except i think a couple of well thought out transfers could really galvanize this group.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Arsenal View Post
    Player for player, we arguably have the 4th best squad in England. In terms of performing as an actual team, we're below the Swan's and majority of the teams you mention. That maybe down too the fact we're a fairly new team. We sold the best player in the league and a fairly important midfielder in Song. The midfield we have...never played together and the attack is the same. Maybe the improvement in our defence might be down to the fact they've played more than a season together. I'm thinking as I write this by the way, but maybe, we simply need time to find our identity as a team. More new signings may only serve to de-stablise the team...hmmmmmm
    You think Swansea would've--if they switched places with us--qualified for the CL in our group and having our fixtures (which have been harder than theirs, just take a look) would have 21 pts? People discount that having extra matches puts extra stress on a team, and thus requires more quality/depth in the team.

    It's easy to say that Swansea are better than us at the moment because they beat us 2-0, but let's be honest, that match could've just as easily 1-0 to Arsenal as it could've 2-0 to Swansea. Yes, I don't dispute that Swansea were the better side on the day but not by much, and you always felt we were the side with a bit more quality although as you point out less identity and cohesion. Let's put it this way: if you play that same match over 10 times in the same conditions with both sides coming off equal rest, do you really think Swansea wins more than we do?

    I agree with your general point--there isn't much between the sides and we should fulfill more of our potential and become better than them as the season goes on, but I think it's rather disrespectful to the quality of players like Cazorla, Wilshere, Walcott, Podolski, Gibbs, Vermaelen--all of which Swansea would die to have in their side, in truth. In fact, if you told Michael Laudrup he could choose to play with the Arsenal side or his side just for the day on Saturday before the match, I think you could be about 90% certain he'd choose our lot.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ArseneCuellar View Post
    You think Swansea would've--if they switched places with us--qualified for the CL in our group and having our fixtures (which have been harder than theirs, just take a look) would have 21 pts? People discount that having extra matches puts extra stress on a team, and thus requires more quality/depth in the team.
    Indeed.

    Quote Originally Posted by ArseneCuellar View Post
    It's easy to say that Swansea are better than us at the moment because they beat us 2-0, but let's be honest, that match could've just as easily 1-0 to Arsenal as it could've 2-0 to Swansea. Yes, I don't dispute that Swansea were the better side on the day but not by much, and you always felt we were the side with a bit more quality although as you point out less identity and cohesion. Let's put it this way: if you play that same match over 10 times in the same conditions with both sides coming off equal rest, do you really think Swansea wins more than we do?
    It's not just about this result. We've been out passed by several teams and generally have looked second best in the games we've played recently. Swansea were well in control in defence and attack and it's only thanks to Wojciech, that the scoreline was only 2-nil. Discount the goals they scored and they still had the clearer chances. Play that game 10 more times in the same condition and we'd be lucky to escape without being humiliated at least once.

    Quote Originally Posted by ArseneCuellar View Post
    I agree with your general point--there isn't much between the sides and we should fulfill more of our potential and become better than them as the season goes on, but I think it's rather disrespectful to the quality of players like Cazorla, Wilshere, Walcott, Podolski, Gibbs, Vermaelen--all of which Swansea would die to have in their side, in truth. In fact, if you told Michael Laudrup he could choose to play with the Arsenal side or his side just for the day on Saturday before the match, I think you could be about 90% certain he'd choose our lot.
    No doubt.


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    He has a buyout clause on Football Manager of 7m so it must be true! Seriously though, Pardew has referred to it on a few occasions.

    Demba Ba isn't my frist choice, though he has done it in the Premier League, 7 goals in 12 games in a very poor West Ham side and 26 goals in 49 games for Newcastle United, can't complain with that.

    I think I'd prefer Llorente to Ba but I wouldn't be disappointed whatsoever if we were to sign him. Imagine actually having some competition for Giroud, instead of Chamakh.



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    I remember Redknapp or some other manager last year saying he saw his contract and he had a cheap release clause, and then a question came out like "10m?" and he was like "even less than that ".

    That may be where it's come from, seems fair enough for a player you got for free that they should get the chance to move on having proved to be worth 7m to somebody else. If he wants to go it'll be to a better team which means he's done his current team a good service (which he has, was key last season to getting them high in the table even if Cisse kept them there after Jan, and without him this season who knows where they'd be..?)



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